regebro
Insane Genious!
I think the AW16G doesn't have motor faders. It also has no extensability, whereas the AW2816 can be expanded with an MINI YGDAI card.
Also, the AW16G has less buttons which probably means that the AW2816 is a bit faster to work with.
Good mic and good monitors are the most important addition to a machine like this. I don't know how good the preamps or effects are, but I'm pretty sure they will be good enough to start with.
Also, the AW16G has less buttons which probably means that the AW2816 is a bit faster to work with.
Good mic and good monitors are the most important addition to a machine like this. I don't know how good the preamps or effects are, but I'm pretty sure they will be good enough to start with.
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The Green Hornet
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Yo Abra-Ca-Dabra Medaccra:
In addition to what Regebro said, I don't think the converters on the new less expensive Yam will be as good as those on the 2816. I use the 2816 and everything on it is good.
You won't get DSP with the 16G; you get 32 bit DSP with the 2816. Effects? Very good on the 2816; don't know, as Regebro said, how good they are on the 16G.
It takes a while to learn the 2816 but if you work at it, you'll be recording in a short time.
Also, with the 2816, you'd have to get a UPS power supply to protect the HD in case of a sudden power failure. [I guess they are all sudden.] It's not an expensive piece of gear but necessary to protect your investment.
I still think "Mo money" gets you Mo quality in most cases.
Green Hornet
In addition to what Regebro said, I don't think the converters on the new less expensive Yam will be as good as those on the 2816. I use the 2816 and everything on it is good.
You won't get DSP with the 16G; you get 32 bit DSP with the 2816. Effects? Very good on the 2816; don't know, as Regebro said, how good they are on the 16G.
It takes a while to learn the 2816 but if you work at it, you'll be recording in a short time.
Also, with the 2816, you'd have to get a UPS power supply to protect the HD in case of a sudden power failure. [I guess they are all sudden.] It's not an expensive piece of gear but necessary to protect your investment.
I still think "Mo money" gets you Mo quality in most cases.
Green Hornet
regebro
Insane Genious!
Huh? Could you explain this part:
"You won't get DSP with the 16G; you get 32 bit DSP with the 2816"
I don't get it.
What is it you don't get with the 16G? I mean, you obviously get Digital Signal Processing, otherwise it wouldn't make any sounds. 
The AW2816 has 54 bit EQ processing, and Yamaha doesn't say anything about the AW16G's EQ, so that may be 32 bit. But the effects is supposed to be the same!
"You won't get DSP with the 16G; you get 32 bit DSP with the 2816"
I don't get it.
What is it you don't get with the 16G? I mean, you obviously get Digital Signal Processing, otherwise it wouldn't make any sounds. The AW2816 has 54 bit EQ processing, and Yamaha doesn't say anything about the AW16G's EQ, so that may be 32 bit. But the effects is supposed to be the same!
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The Green Hornet
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Yo Regebro:
As I recall, the 16G has "dials" on the box for EQ; the 2816 has a screened program of "many" possibilities. As for the DSP, I may have mangled my metaphors. But, you can't hear digital -- you can only hear analog. Digital is processing the sound; but, when it hits your ears, it's analog.
I'm recalling the specs from memory but I can look into the manual and tell you what the 2816 does; I'll bet the 16G doesn't come close to doing the same program.
As far as FX, the 2816 has a ton of choices. I don't know what Yam put into the 16G. Do YOU?
If you tell me that the 16G is as good as the 2816, I think you be drinking too much homemade gin.
Green Hornet 
As I recall, the 16G has "dials" on the box for EQ; the 2816 has a screened program of "many" possibilities. As for the DSP, I may have mangled my metaphors. But, you can't hear digital -- you can only hear analog. Digital is processing the sound; but, when it hits your ears, it's analog.
I'm recalling the specs from memory but I can look into the manual and tell you what the 2816 does; I'll bet the 16G doesn't come close to doing the same program.
As far as FX, the 2816 has a ton of choices. I don't know what Yam put into the 16G. Do YOU?
If you tell me that the 16G is as good as the 2816, I think you be drinking too much homemade gin.
Green Hornet
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The Green Hornet
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Yo Regebro:
The 16G can't compare with the 2816 no matter how you evaluate it.
Digital sound is NO SOUND. It is a processing of sound. When you HEAR it, it is analog.
DSP? Digital Signal Processing. Yea, verily. Would a 1k box have the same qualities as a 2k box? No. That's Yamaha's game. Keep putting out models and keep selling units.
The 16G has "dials" FOR eq. The 2816 has an immense program for eq that gets to the nitty of the gritty.
Have you ever looked at the manual for the 2816? I doubt you have seen a manual for the 16G. [or the 2816]
If you want me to copy the specs for the 2816 and print them here, I can do that. But, it would only be redundant because the 2816 will still knock the socks off the other unit.
If you can prove otherwise, DO IT>
Green Hornet
The 16G can't compare with the 2816 no matter how you evaluate it.
Digital sound is NO SOUND. It is a processing of sound. When you HEAR it, it is analog.
DSP? Digital Signal Processing. Yea, verily. Would a 1k box have the same qualities as a 2k box? No. That's Yamaha's game. Keep putting out models and keep selling units.
The 16G has "dials" FOR eq. The 2816 has an immense program for eq that gets to the nitty of the gritty.
Have you ever looked at the manual for the 2816? I doubt you have seen a manual for the 16G. [or the 2816]
If you want me to copy the specs for the 2816 and print them here, I can do that. But, it would only be redundant because the 2816 will still knock the socks off the other unit.
If you can prove otherwise, DO IT>
Green Hornet
regebro
Insane Genious!
You are more confused than ever.
No, Iäm not saying the AW16G is as good as the AW2816. Thats onbious. And yes, as I already have mentioned, the AW2816 wiull be faster to work with because it has more buttons and knobs. No, I don't know what the effects in the AW16G are, but Yamaha says that the AW16G uses the same DSP, same same effects, and the same algorithms (including the filters) as the AW2816. The specifications is nearly identical.
If you have information to show that Yamaha is lying, then this is important and I'm sure everybody wants to know. But don't guess, because if you guess wrongly it will make you look bad.
No, Iäm not saying the AW16G is as good as the AW2816. Thats onbious. And yes, as I already have mentioned, the AW2816 wiull be faster to work with because it has more buttons and knobs. No, I don't know what the effects in the AW16G are, but Yamaha says that the AW16G uses the same DSP, same same effects, and the same algorithms (including the filters) as the AW2816. The specifications is nearly identical.
If you have information to show that Yamaha is lying, then this is important and I'm sure everybody wants to know. But don't guess, because if you guess wrongly it will make you look bad.
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The Green Hornet
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Yo Regebro:
You are the confusing person. First you say that the 2816 is better than the AW16; then you state that the same programs are in the AW 16 as in the 2816. You seem to be missing the fact that there is a 1000 pezzuto difference in price between the units.
So, you tell me. What's missing from the AW16 that costs about a grand?
We've covered FX, DSP, and quality. So, I don't know where you are. If you have heard BOTH units and worked with either unit, then maybe you have discovered something Yamaha doesn't know. Each unit is the same but there is a 1k price difference?
How about some owner of an AW16 speak forth; as well, owners of the the 2816?
Green Hornet
You are the confusing person. First you say that the 2816 is better than the AW16; then you state that the same programs are in the AW 16 as in the 2816. You seem to be missing the fact that there is a 1000 pezzuto difference in price between the units.
So, you tell me. What's missing from the AW16 that costs about a grand?
We've covered FX, DSP, and quality. So, I don't know where you are. If you have heard BOTH units and worked with either unit, then maybe you have discovered something Yamaha doesn't know. Each unit is the same but there is a 1k price difference?
How about some owner of an AW16 speak forth; as well, owners of the the 2816?
Green Hornet
regebro
Insane Genious!
Since mr Green Hornet hasn't explained himself in my attempt to a private conversation with him, I will have to whip his green ass publicly.
Sorry about that, there is nothing I can do about it, you have brought this on yourself.
According to Yamaha, they say that the DSP is the same in both machines. Your claim that "you won't get DSP" with the AW16G is not only nonsensical, it's bogus.
There really is no reason for Yamaha to use time and money to develop worse algorithms for filters and effects, since DSP power is virtually free anyway, and therefore there is no reason to doubt Yamahas claim that the DSP's, algorithms and effects is the same. Therefore your claim that Yamaha is lying ought to be substantiated. You have refused to do this, which probably means that this claim also is bogus.
You claim that Yamahas facts are incorrect, yet have no facts to back these statements up. I think that is weak!
This means that there what is stated early in this thread still stands:
The differences between the AW16G and the AW2816 is that the AW2816 has more buttons and knobs, motorized faders and the possibility to extend it with mini YGDAI cards.
If you think the price difference is bigger then the value of these extras is a personal decision, where your answer is not any more correct than anybody elses.
Again: Sorry about all this, but I had to.
Sorry about that, there is nothing I can do about it, you have brought this on yourself.
According to Yamaha, they say that the DSP is the same in both machines. Your claim that "you won't get DSP" with the AW16G is not only nonsensical, it's bogus.
There really is no reason for Yamaha to use time and money to develop worse algorithms for filters and effects, since DSP power is virtually free anyway, and therefore there is no reason to doubt Yamahas claim that the DSP's, algorithms and effects is the same. Therefore your claim that Yamaha is lying ought to be substantiated. You have refused to do this, which probably means that this claim also is bogus.
You claim that Yamahas facts are incorrect, yet have no facts to back these statements up. I think that is weak!
This means that there what is stated early in this thread still stands:
The differences between the AW16G and the AW2816 is that the AW2816 has more buttons and knobs, motorized faders and the possibility to extend it with mini YGDAI cards.
If you think the price difference is bigger then the value of these extras is a personal decision, where your answer is not any more correct than anybody elses.
Again: Sorry about all this, but I had to.
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The Green Hornet
New member
Yo Regebro:
You are drinking too many Singapore Slings and they have slanged your brain. Don't put your drill in your hand for patients for ten days.
Here is what the AW16 offers:
[By the way, have you ever used either box? What experience are you dissertating from? Nada brother, nada.
You still haven't discussed the 1 thousand dollar difference between the two units have you?
AW16: 16 track recorder
8 tracks at a time
20 GB HD
24 Bit A/D & D/A conversion
no data compression
2 stereo digital effect processors
4 band full parametric EQ and dynamics on all inputs {this doesn't even come close to the 2816's EQ and dynamic potential}This may be a part of the 1k difference!!!!
note this one: "Mastering tools? What tools? Are they the same as the 2816/4416 - bet your dumb ass they are not.
Integral CD-RW drive
Guitar effects with amp simulations: [this is not on the 2816 that I know of.]
midi remote capabilities
Cakewalk Sonar 2.0 test drive software
Data compatibility with AW4416 and 2816 -- {why does this box need the 2816 or 4416?]
Quick loop sampler
Import/export.wav files.
So, now that I've told you what's on the AW16, you tell me what's on the 2816.
If you don't know, then, you don't know what you're talking about.
Do you own either box? Have you used either Box?
Bottom line, Yamaha would not put out a box that costs 1k less than another box unless something was missing. Bet on it.
Try novacaine in the morning.
Green Hornet
PS Regebro: You have not substantiated your blast with any facts either. You are just offering suppositions from some external malfunction of your process of ratiocination.
GH
You are drinking too many Singapore Slings and they have slanged your brain. Don't put your drill in your hand for patients for ten days.
Here is what the AW16 offers:
[By the way, have you ever used either box? What experience are you dissertating from? Nada brother, nada.
You still haven't discussed the 1 thousand dollar difference between the two units have you?
AW16: 16 track recorder
8 tracks at a time
20 GB HD
24 Bit A/D & D/A conversion
no data compression
2 stereo digital effect processors
4 band full parametric EQ and dynamics on all inputs {this doesn't even come close to the 2816's EQ and dynamic potential}This may be a part of the 1k difference!!!!
note this one: "Mastering tools? What tools? Are they the same as the 2816/4416 - bet your dumb ass they are not.
Integral CD-RW drive
Guitar effects with amp simulations: [this is not on the 2816 that I know of.]
midi remote capabilities
Cakewalk Sonar 2.0 test drive software
Data compatibility with AW4416 and 2816 -- {why does this box need the 2816 or 4416?]
Quick loop sampler
Import/export.wav files.
So, now that I've told you what's on the AW16, you tell me what's on the 2816.
If you don't know, then, you don't know what you're talking about.
Do you own either box? Have you used either Box?
Bottom line, Yamaha would not put out a box that costs 1k less than another box unless something was missing. Bet on it.
Try novacaine in the morning.
Green Hornet
PS Regebro: You have not substantiated your blast with any facts either. You are just offering suppositions from some external malfunction of your process of ratiocination.GH
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Cratinus
Member
easy,...EASY regebro. i'm sure the Caped Green Crusader was just trying to help. he loves his AW2816 (and understandably so,..it's a FINE machine). the Aw16G is DEFINETLY a step down from the AW4416 AND the AW2816. THAT SAID,...the 16G appears to be a nice little unit. i'll "attempt" to explain the "good" and the "bad" here:
FOR THE SAKE OF MY FINGERTIPS i'll abbreviate the AW16G to the "G" and i'll condense the AW2816 to the "28".
1) BOTH have 16-track playback. duh.
2) BOTH have dynamics on (at least) each playback channel. cool.
3) BOTH have an onboard CD burner. great.
4) the G has sample pads...the 28 does not. advantage G (me likey).
5) the 28 has a MUCH bigger display screen. advantage 28 (NICE).
6) the G has "realtime" knobs for eq and other tweaks. advantage G (what were they
they thinking when they left those off the 28??)
7) the 28 has monitor outouts as well as FOUR seperate assignable outs
(the G has monitor outs which DOUBLE as AUX outs.....either/or). if you
have extra gear to interface the 28 has a big advantage in this department.
i have a few reverbs and delays that i CAN'T live without. advantage 28.
8) the 28 (despite only 8 faders) has NO shared tracks (unless you want it to).
the G appears to sum the last 8 tracks to stereo (i.e 9/10, 11/12, 13/14, 15/16)
each with a SINGLE fader. may or MAY NOT be a problem.
9) the 28 CAN record at 24 BITS. the G CANNOT. BIG advantage 28.
10) the 28 has onboard automation. the G appears to NOT HAVE automation of
ANY KIND. seems to be a HUGE advantage for 28.
11) the 28 has an expansion slot (the ubiquitous WAVES card?). the G has none.
may or may not be important.
12) the G is smaller and easier to transport. may or may not be important.
13) both have "what appears to be" similar effects processors.
14) both have plenty of virtual tracks (8 extra per track?)
i think the G is a cool little unit. it looks like an easy to use 16-bit recorder with an
onboard cd burner and a handy little sampling function. i has some sort of "auto record" deal that is supposed to "capture your musical ideas while you are doodling about with the recorder". not sure exactly what that is but it seems kinda cool. BOTTOM LINE IS: is the G a handy little recorder that is easy to use?......YES! can you record and mixdown a song to cd?...YES! will it "sound" as good as the 24-bit capabilities of the 28?? NO!!!! an AW2816 with a WAVES card installed can pretty much kick the living crap out of just about any standalone unit out there (aside from the Akai DPS24, maybe). BUT,...it boils down to BUDGET and NEED. do you NEED the capabilites that the 28 (or the 4416) offers OR are you looking for a sturdy little 16-bit recorder? do you plan on having massive amounts of instrumentation that might require automated mixing? do you plan to record "delicate" voices and acoustic instruments and expect the HIGHEST degree of detail? do you want to "master" your project on your DAW?
just depends on what you want, reg. the 28 has more to offer "if you want it". the G is a great recorder "if it's all that you need". cheers. 
FOR THE SAKE OF MY FINGERTIPS i'll abbreviate the AW16G to the "G" and i'll condense the AW2816 to the "28".
1) BOTH have 16-track playback. duh.
2) BOTH have dynamics on (at least) each playback channel. cool.
3) BOTH have an onboard CD burner. great.
4) the G has sample pads...the 28 does not. advantage G (me likey).
5) the 28 has a MUCH bigger display screen. advantage 28 (NICE).
6) the G has "realtime" knobs for eq and other tweaks. advantage G (what were they
they thinking when they left those off the 28??)
7) the 28 has monitor outouts as well as FOUR seperate assignable outs
(the G has monitor outs which DOUBLE as AUX outs.....either/or). if you
have extra gear to interface the 28 has a big advantage in this department.
i have a few reverbs and delays that i CAN'T live without. advantage 28.
8) the 28 (despite only 8 faders) has NO shared tracks (unless you want it to).
the G appears to sum the last 8 tracks to stereo (i.e 9/10, 11/12, 13/14, 15/16)
each with a SINGLE fader. may or MAY NOT be a problem.
9) the 28 CAN record at 24 BITS. the G CANNOT. BIG advantage 28.
10) the 28 has onboard automation. the G appears to NOT HAVE automation of
ANY KIND. seems to be a HUGE advantage for 28.
11) the 28 has an expansion slot (the ubiquitous WAVES card?). the G has none.
may or may not be important.
12) the G is smaller and easier to transport. may or may not be important.
13) both have "what appears to be" similar effects processors.
14) both have plenty of virtual tracks (8 extra per track?)
i think the G is a cool little unit. it looks like an easy to use 16-bit recorder with an
onboard cd burner and a handy little sampling function. i has some sort of "auto record" deal that is supposed to "capture your musical ideas while you are doodling about with the recorder". not sure exactly what that is but it seems kinda cool. BOTTOM LINE IS: is the G a handy little recorder that is easy to use?......YES! can you record and mixdown a song to cd?...YES! will it "sound" as good as the 24-bit capabilities of the 28?? NO!!!! an AW2816 with a WAVES card installed can pretty much kick the living crap out of just about any standalone unit out there (aside from the Akai DPS24, maybe). BUT,...it boils down to BUDGET and NEED. do you NEED the capabilites that the 28 (or the 4416) offers OR are you looking for a sturdy little 16-bit recorder? do you plan on having massive amounts of instrumentation that might require automated mixing? do you plan to record "delicate" voices and acoustic instruments and expect the HIGHEST degree of detail? do you want to "master" your project on your DAW?
just depends on what you want, reg. the 28 has more to offer "if you want it". the G is a great recorder "if it's all that you need". cheers.
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Cratinus
Member
awh, hell......let's all grab our six string acoustics........hook up a couple of SM57's
and fire up the old cassette portastudio...........there are MORE serious things to worry about than all of this. yah know,...i STILL think i was at my MOST creative when all i had was cassette 4-track, ONE reverb unit an ONE guitar. ah.....the good old days.
and fire up the old cassette portastudio...........there are MORE serious things to worry about than all of this. yah know,...i STILL think i was at my MOST creative when all i had was cassette 4-track, ONE reverb unit an ONE guitar. ah.....the good old days.
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
Damn, Rege and Hornet. I've never seen two people agree so hostily.
Just for clarification a DSP is neccessary for any digital audio device so they could use the same DSP engine but fill with them different features (programs).
It's obvious the 2816 is a more sophisticated box overall. The difference in value is most likely the stuff that Regebro mentioned like flying faders, quality convertors, extra outputs, etc.
Just for clarification a DSP is neccessary for any digital audio device so they could use the same DSP engine but fill with them different features (programs).
It's obvious the 2816 is a more sophisticated box overall. The difference in value is most likely the stuff that Regebro mentioned like flying faders, quality convertors, extra outputs, etc.
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The Green Hornet
New member
Yo Cratanius:
Thanks much for your expertise. You really boiled down the 1k difference in price between the two units. The 2816 has some qualities that are missing in the other unit. For a while, the 2816 was touted as a better unit than the 4416 because of its updated features -- but, Yamaha quickly fixed the 4416 to be worth the 1k more it sells for over the 2816.
I just think that Regebro got stung by a hornet in the watch capital of the world and is taking revenge on any Hornet.
I could put all of the specs of the 2816 on this site but it would be a waste of space.
Yamaha has a way of putting out boxes and boxes and boxes to make more money. The Yamaha sound quality is good and I expect it is good in the 16G but not quite as tweakable as the 2816. And, of course, Regebro didn't touch on the 24 bit capability of the 2816. So, isn't that worth a few more kroner? Also, Rebebro has an English grammar problem for which I'll send him one of the three English Composition textbooks I wrote while I was teaching.
One thing for sure, I'll bet a free intergalactic dinner for all involved in this thread that a 200 dollar cd player isn't as good as a 600 dollar cd player. Isn't technology wonderful?
And Cratanius, keep the faith. And, thank you so much for your expertise....knowledge always wins. GH
Green Hornet PS: Tex of moribund roadside refuse: Thanks for your input. You have much knowledge too. GH
Thanks much for your expertise. You really boiled down the 1k difference in price between the two units. The 2816 has some qualities that are missing in the other unit. For a while, the 2816 was touted as a better unit than the 4416 because of its updated features -- but, Yamaha quickly fixed the 4416 to be worth the 1k more it sells for over the 2816.
I just think that Regebro got stung by a hornet in the watch capital of the world and is taking revenge on any Hornet.
I could put all of the specs of the 2816 on this site but it would be a waste of space.
Yamaha has a way of putting out boxes and boxes and boxes to make more money. The Yamaha sound quality is good and I expect it is good in the 16G but not quite as tweakable as the 2816. And, of course, Regebro didn't touch on the 24 bit capability of the 2816. So, isn't that worth a few more kroner? Also, Rebebro has an English grammar problem for which I'll send him one of the three English Composition textbooks I wrote while I was teaching.
One thing for sure, I'll bet a free intergalactic dinner for all involved in this thread that a 200 dollar cd player isn't as good as a 600 dollar cd player. Isn't technology wonderful?
And Cratanius, keep the faith. And, thank you so much for your expertise....knowledge always wins. GH
Green Hornet PS: Tex of moribund roadside refuse: Thanks for your input. You have much knowledge too. GH
regebro
Insane Genious!
Do you even read what I write before you post?
Well, that's kinda strange, since the aw2816 has 4 band full parametric EQ and dynamics on all inputs. So in what way does the AW2816's EQ has all this extra dynamic potential?
There you go again. Yamaha says that they are the same one, and you claim Yamaha are lying without having any way to substantiate that. That is so stupid, and that is all I have to say.
Come back when you have some substance behind your claims, OK?
Cratinus: Thanks for the detailed response.
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The Green Hornet
New member
Yo Regebro:
Et tu Brutus. You haven't offered any "conclusive" proof about what you are trying to say about something or another.
But, on page 396 of the manual of the Yamaha 2816 it states:
"Internal Processing 32 bits."
Does the AG16 have 32 bit processing? Kindly print a quote from the manual if you have one that confirms this "fact" about the 2816 and equal 32 bit processing of the other unit.
The converters on the 2816 are:
AD=24 bit linear, 64 times oversampling
DA=24 bit linear, 128 times oversampling.
How about the other model? Give me the specs.
Dynamic range of the 2816 is: 109 dB typ. DA converter [stereo out]
How about the other unit?
Better yet, you can download the specs from the Yamaha site and somewhere you will find there is a 1k difference in quality between the two units.
If I garbled the use of DSP, digital signal processing, I did not mean to imply the "other" unit does not have this.
The EQ program on the 2816 is very large, many tweaks; the EQ program on the other unit, not up to the 2816's capabilities.
Don't slip on the ice over there.
Yamaha makes about 4/5 FX processors and each model has similar/same algorithms but one model costs more than another model? Why? Must be more quality or perks or something. Same is true with keyboards, workstations, stage pianos, etc. A Cadillac is only a car. Why does it cost more than a Ford? How about Mercedes Benz? Why is a Saturn cheaper? All in the specs man, all in the specs.
Green Hornet
Et tu Brutus. You haven't offered any "conclusive" proof about what you are trying to say about something or another.
But, on page 396 of the manual of the Yamaha 2816 it states:
"Internal Processing 32 bits."
Does the AG16 have 32 bit processing? Kindly print a quote from the manual if you have one that confirms this "fact" about the 2816 and equal 32 bit processing of the other unit.
The converters on the 2816 are:
AD=24 bit linear, 64 times oversampling
DA=24 bit linear, 128 times oversampling.
How about the other model? Give me the specs.
Dynamic range of the 2816 is: 109 dB typ. DA converter [stereo out]
How about the other unit?
Better yet, you can download the specs from the Yamaha site and somewhere you will find there is a 1k difference in quality between the two units.
If I garbled the use of DSP, digital signal processing, I did not mean to imply the "other" unit does not have this.
The EQ program on the 2816 is very large, many tweaks; the EQ program on the other unit, not up to the 2816's capabilities.
Don't slip on the ice over there.
Yamaha makes about 4/5 FX processors and each model has similar/same algorithms but one model costs more than another model? Why? Must be more quality or perks or something. Same is true with keyboards, workstations, stage pianos, etc. A Cadillac is only a car. Why does it cost more than a Ford? How about Mercedes Benz? Why is a Saturn cheaper? All in the specs man, all in the specs.
Green Hornet
regebro
Insane Genious!
The Green Hornet said:
Well, you see, that *exactly* what I have done. But after I did this, you claim that these specs are wrong, and that Yamaha is lying on their website. OK, fine, maybe they are. Do you have anything to back your claims with?
Which of the statements that me or Cratinus have been made of the AW16G's capabilies are incorrect?
The Green Hornet said:
Have I ever said that I don't think there is a 1k difference in quality? No, I haven't, have I? Maybe you should try reading my posts before you answer them?
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The Green Hornet
New member
Yo Regebro:
You are still going in argumentative circles. You still have not provided any specs for the AG or AW 16 that match the specs I've posted.
So, I just think you want to blow your horn.
You did state in an early post that you don't know how good the preamps and Fx are.... DO YOU READ YOUR OWN POSTS?
So, if you don't know, what is your argument?
If you haven't had "hands on" either unit, where are you coming from? Yeah, I know, the land of yodeling. Hey, that's it! Your echo keeps bouncing from post to post with the thought pattern that is obstruent to sense.
You could condense all of your posts to about 25 words which amount to not understanding either unit to any degree of hands on operation or results of sound.
No doubt the AW16 does a nice job; but, I wonder how good is its CD burner? The 2816 can burn at several speeds, tops is 8Xs.
Why don't you buy both units and see which one is better and let us all know.
Green Hornet
PS I have posted Yamaha to get the "exact" quality differences between the two units. Why didn't you do this so you could have some documentation rather than your, "I think..."
GH
You are still going in argumentative circles. You still have not provided any specs for the AG or AW 16 that match the specs I've posted.
So, I just think you want to blow your horn.
You did state in an early post that you don't know how good the preamps and Fx are.... DO YOU READ YOUR OWN POSTS?
So, if you don't know, what is your argument?
If you haven't had "hands on" either unit, where are you coming from? Yeah, I know, the land of yodeling. Hey, that's it! Your echo keeps bouncing from post to post with the thought pattern that is obstruent to sense.
You could condense all of your posts to about 25 words which amount to not understanding either unit to any degree of hands on operation or results of sound.
No doubt the AW16 does a nice job; but, I wonder how good is its CD burner? The 2816 can burn at several speeds, tops is 8Xs.
Why don't you buy both units and see which one is better and let us all know.
Green Hornet
PS I have posted Yamaha to get the "exact" quality differences between the two units. Why didn't you do this so you could have some documentation rather than your, "I think..."
GH
regebro
Insane Genious!
The Green Hornet said:
Of course I am, you are ignoring them. I ask you again:
What statements made by me or Cratinus are incorrect? Which of the specifications on Yamahas websites are lies?
The Green Hornet said:
Why do you ask Yamaha for specifications, when you have already claimed that they are lying?
The Green Hornet said:
Argument? Argument for what?
T
The Green Hornet
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Yo Regebro of no know!
I don't remember saying Yamaha was lying about anything. I presented the stats right from the manual -- you have presented nothing.
It is evident in your words that you are not discussing the units. You are discussing the Green Hornet. Good. Keep it up. It illustrates the diminished clause of your argument which is circular.
You have not presented one documented note about either unit except what you state as "I know." If you downloaded the specs, where are they? You present nothing but anger.
You don't know brother. You have not worked with either unit. You are a gust of a Tromantain breeze from the Alps creating a foen.
I suggest you put on your glasses backwards and walk right through yourself.
Or have you already done that.
Green Hornet
PS Keep quoting me as it illustrates your lack of knowledge.
I don't remember saying Yamaha was lying about anything. I presented the stats right from the manual -- you have presented nothing.
It is evident in your words that you are not discussing the units. You are discussing the Green Hornet. Good. Keep it up. It illustrates the diminished clause of your argument which is circular.
You have not presented one documented note about either unit except what you state as "I know." If you downloaded the specs, where are they? You present nothing but anger.
You don't know brother. You have not worked with either unit. You are a gust of a Tromantain breeze from the Alps creating a foen.
I suggest you put on your glasses backwards and walk right through yourself.
Or have you already done that.
Green Hornet
PS Keep quoting me as it illustrates your lack of knowledge.