www.loudcds.com? is this for real?

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I would say, since there are many people on this BBS that do this type of work, and they help others on here, give them a shot. Your chances of getting your monies worth from these guys is much higher than if you spent it on some wweb site that doesn't have a phone number. I've also seen that some of them have adds posted at the top right corner of the screen. They are probably a whole lot more legit than somebody doing it way too cheaply.
Robert
 
Noisybob said:
I would say, since there are many people on this BBS that do this type of work, and they help others on here, give them a shot. Your chances of getting your monies worth from these guys is much higher than if you spent it on some wweb site that doesn't have a phone number. I've also seen that some of them have adds posted at the top right corner of the screen. They are probably a whole lot more legit than somebody doing it way too cheaply.
Robert
I concur.... :D
 
but I still am wondering why major software makers put the "mastering" label on stuff if it really can't do the right job? Maybe they should also say "mastering-but not real mastering" on the box.
 
One could argue that "Pro Tools" is a bad case of false advertising, as well....

Except that a decade later almost every studio (grudgingly, in many cases) has a pro tools rig somewhere just so that when a customer comes in a looks around for it you can point to it and say "Yeah, we got Pro Tools..." So it is a pro standard now, and lots of folks who don't know much better assume that because of this it IS some fatastic system. It isn't.

That's not saying that Pro Tools isn't capable of excellent results- of course it is. But its the skill behind the tools (period) that makes the tool effective. Even T-RackS can be used effectively by people who know what they're doing.

But the many LA2A plugs sound nothing like the real thing (yes, I've heard the real thing) and "plate reverb" in the multieffects units don't sound exactly like a real plate (yes, I've heard the real thing.) And beyond real mastering equipment and real mastering skills is what *very* few pro studios have (much less home studios): and adequately tuned monitoring system and space.

Mastering, as a label for software and something that you pay someone to do, is just a process. And like any other product or service you get what you pay for. T-RackS is designed to be a mastering tool and it is, so is a Finalizer- you can't really say they aren't "real" mastering tools any more than you can say an Alesis 3630 isn't a "real" compressor.

Mastering as a profession is just now starting to "enjoy" the same low-fi revolution that cheap digital recording brought to bear on recording and mixing engineers. Not that the cheap digital tools aren't capable of good results... its just that everyone and their dogs have the same tools and the same general lack of skill in using them.

Chris
 
So no matter what kind of equipment a person is using to master your audio, sounds to me like it all boils down to experience. Do you think experience is the #1 most important thing in mastering? Or something else like equipment or the number of gold records they mastered? Or even who they studied under.
 
ratnip101 said:
So no matter what kind of equipment a person is using to master your audio, sounds to me like it all boils down to experience. Do you think experience is the #1 most important thing in mastering? Or something else like equipment or the number of gold records they mastered? Or even who they studied under.
It takes both gear and experience to do it right.

Someone like Tom or John on this board could probably do a much better job than I could with mastering even if they were to use my lesser gear and room, because they have the talent and experience. But my gear would still severly hold them back; their equipment and studio space are what let their talent and experience stretch to its full extent.

As far as naming a piece of gear "mastering" gear, welll, that's kind of both right and wrong in different ways. The important thing to understand is that mastering is a *procedure", an operation that is performed on a recording, just like mixing is. A mixer or an audio editor can be called a piece of "mixing gear" because they are, or can be, used in the mixing process. It's the same thing with a "finalizer" or something like that. Whatever one maythink of that type of gear as far as quality of sound, It can arguably be called a piece of "mastering gear" because it can, and sometimes is, used in the mastering process.

But that does not mean that the "mastering gear" does the job all by itself. It takes talent to use it properly in the mastering process to actually get the mastering done.

A Craftsman hammer does not build a house, though a master carpenter uses one to build mansions. But just because someone owns a Craftsman hammer does not mean they can build a house.

A violin does not make music, though a master violin player can use it to make the most beautiful string solo. But just because someone owns a Stradivarius doesn't mean they can play violin.

T-Racks contains tools that can be used for mastering, but it does not DO the mastering. But - though it's no Stradivarius as far as mastering tools goes - a qualified mastering engineer could use it to do a competent mastering job. But just because someone owns a copy of T-Racks doesn't mean they can do a decent mastering job.

Mastering is a procedure performed by audio engineering's version of a carpenter or violin player. Doing a good mastering job, just like a good mixing or recording job, requires not only talent and gear, but it requires time. Like in any other tradecraft, that combination of gear, talent and time is not dirt cheap. If someone says they can master your CD for less than a hundred bucks and turn it around in 24 hours or so, all one has to do is the math to know that it is as impossible to do a quality mastering job under those contraints as it is for one carpenter to build a quality house in three days or to book an Itszak Perlman concherto for tomorrow night for a thousand dollars.

G.
 
I've said it before that the last five years saw the "digital revolution" become the great gear leveller. Everyone has access to the same tools. It's all about skill now.

And sadly, there are about the same number of skilled engineers out there as 20 or 30 years ago.
 
I wouldn't exactly call it "endorsed" - More like "endured." :D

Sounds to me like the guy needs his meds - He's got some of the best M.E.'s in the world trying to get through to him and he says "Thanks all you a-holes" and such to their comments. Just another know-it-all...
 
I agree massive,
all the while hes being a total arse and trying to sound righteous.
I dont like him.
 
uhhh.. i think hes responding pretty light heartedly. he obviously doesn't care what some people online think because hes making money and getting by. hes surviving and being called out on a message board isn't going to change that.
 
From his original post I thought that he was going to be another loudmouth with an over-inflated opinion of his skills.

Actually I kinda like the guy now ...

If he calls some of the greatest MEs a-holes, well judging from some of the responses maybe he's right.
 
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