If you could just explain HOW you think it applies...(same way I listed 5 points how it doesn't)...instead of just saying it does, then I would be fine with your use of the word, even if I didn't agree with it....but I don't think you once did that.
It's like you saying that the sky is blue and me saying no, it's green.
Heck, I would have to provide some reasons why I say it's green....just saying so wouldn't make it so....right?
Anyway...if you have specific reasons why you think the term applie to tape....I'll be happy to hear them, If you don't or don't want to bother going on with this....that's cool to, we don't have to discuss it any more.
Amp sims....do we really wanna go there?
That would mean we would be on the same side of the argument like the last time....and then who's going to step up and debate the opposite view under those conditions?
Miro, buddy, I've explained it like 5-10 times now. And I don't usually like using others to bolster my point, but it applies here - others have mentioned it and picked up on what I've said. Go back and read the posts. I know it's a pain in the ass, but I did, and it's all there.
Ugh, fuck it, for the sake of civil conversation and well-being of any poor bored sap still reading this shit.....
In a nutshell, I'm paraphrasing you and me both here, you've repeatedly mentioned wanting "that tape sound". That magical sound that you can only get from using tape, and that magical sound that digital tape plugs try so hard in vain to emulate. It's a tell-tale "quality" you get from recording to tape. "The tape sound". Okay cool, no problem.
You've also gone to great lengths in this thread and others countless times to decry the blanket flattened upper-midrange buzzy stamp that digital emulators put across the music in the digital realm. You call that a "homogenized sound". A term you use very regularly, a term you and I have both used when we agree on that "digital sound". Okay, no problem there either.
What I'm saying.....asking....declaring.....isn't tape doing the same thing for you? It is. It is 100% without question. Recording to tape stamps, impacts, permanently impresses it's own sound to the audio. It's a "homogenized sound" in the same exact sense that digital plug-ins can,
but not always, blanket digital audio with it's own "homogenized sound". It's not the same sound, but tape does have it's own tell-tale "homogenized sound". The "tape sound" IS a "homogenized sound". Recording to tape has it's own sound. You've said so. It obviously does or plug-ins to emulate "that sound" wouldn't exist. So the same exact quality that you poo-poo in digital exists in your beloved tape. You just like one better than the other, which is fine, but to deny that "the tape sound" is indeed a "homogenized sound" in the sense that we use the term is silly and frankly, flat out wrong.
And to top it all off, the points I made that totally kill your digital "homogenized sound" claims, those same points that you blatantly ignored, are this: One can easily record any instrument into digital and NOT be saddled with that blanket "homogenized digital sound" because digital by itself doesn't do anything to audio. While tape does impact it's own sound onto the audio, whether it be "the sound" of your deck or someone else's, it does stamp it's fingerprint right into the recording and there's no getting away from it. Recording into a DAW doesn't do that. Not by itself anyway. Digital gives you back what you put into it, and with today's bit depths and sample rates, it's actually more accurate than the permanently changed sound of something recorded to tape. You might not want that kind of accuracy and clarity, and that's cool, but simply put, recording into the digital realm does LESS "damage" to the signal than tape. Digital doesn't do all that "warming" and "saturation" nonsense. Digital doesn't by itself change anything. Not modern digital anyway. The "digital homogenized" sound
never happens until someone uses a plug that unfortunately has that tell-tale effect. And it happens a lot, but not all plugs do that to the digital audio. The one's that do, it's not digital recording's fault. Blame the guy that wrote the program. That living breathing analog human being that designed the plug fucked it up. Blame the user that chose that plug in. The analog person clicking his mouse using effects that sound bad. Blame him because his sound was probably exactly what he put in before he fucked it up with a bad plug-in.
So, that's about it. Deny all of that if you must. I stand by it and to me it's exactly what has happened and where we're at. I don't think I can simplify it any further, nor do I want to.
