Would this be enough volume?

[elenore19]

I'm looking into upgrading to a head and cab setup...

the head is the peavey windsor which is 120 watts...

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Peavey-Windsor-Tube-Amp-Head?sku=481331

but the cab I'm thinking of is a 2x12 with a Celestion Vintage 30, and a Celestion G12H30 the watts equal about 90 I believe for that cab..

I'm gettin the cab from here

www.avatarspeakers.com


I'm wondering mainly if that would be enough volume for smaller/medium gigs.

Also, since the head is more watts than the cab, if I turned the volume up too loud would it blow out the speakers in the cab? or no?

The vintage 30 is 60w, and the G12H30 is 30w.


Thanks for the help, any other comments are much appreciated!!

-Elliot

 

[Outlaws]

The wattage of the cab is not enough. 30+60 does not equal 90. 30+60 = 60 watts it can handle. Its the lowest number multiplied by the number of speakers because each speaker is getting an equal portion of the signal.

But that is a 120 watt tube head. You will want a cab that can handle closer to 200 watts. Most 100 watt Marshall or Mesa heads use a 412 that can handle 280 watts. That 120 watt head when cranked might spike at 150-180 watts. Marshalls 1960AX cab has got 4 12" Greenbacks at 25 watts each for a power handling of 100 watts...but Marshall themselves state you should not use that cab with any 100 watt amp unless you use two 412 cabs.

And for the record, 120 is more than ample for any venue on earth, and way too much for 99% of them. Get a 30-50 watt combo.

 

[elenore19]

The wattage of the cab is not enough. 30+60 does not equal 90. 30+60 = 60 watts it can handle. Its the lowest number multiplied by the number of speakers because each speaker is getting an equal portion of the signal.

But that is a 120 watt tube head. You will want a cab that can handle closer to 200 watts. Most 100 watt Marshall or Mesa heads use a 412 that can handle 280 watts. That 120 watt head when cranked might spike at 150-180 watts. Marshalls 1960AX cab has got 4 12" Greenbacks at 25 watts each for a power handling of 100 watts...but Marshall themselves state you should not use that cab with any 100 watt amp unless you use two 412 cabs.

And for the record, 120 is more than ample for any venue on earth, and way too much for 99% of them. Get a 30-50 watt combo.

Alright, thanks. So lets say I get a 2x12 with two speakers. Both of them are
Celestion G12T-100 speakers which are 100 watts each.

Also, would these speakers, the G12T-100's be good speakers for me? I play sort of new age punk I guess you say...Lots of crunch, but I don't play much metal. But yeah. Are these good speakers?

Thanks for the help!

-Elliot

Would that be enough to handle the same head?

 

[Farview]

I would go with the vintage 30's. The 100 watt celestions sound like crap. There is also very little chance of you running your head full out.

When playing with a 2x12, you can put it up on a chair or something to make it easier to hear. You also won't have to crank it as much. (unless you have ears on your ankles)

 

[elenore19]

I would go with the vintage 30's. The 100 watt celestions sound like crap. There is also very little chance of you running your head full out.

When playing with a 2x12, you can put it up on a chair or something to make it easier to hear. You also won't have to crank it as much. (unless you have ears on your ankles)

Alright, so I should go with two vintage 30's?

But doing that would make it possible for me to blow the speakers out because of the 120 watt head?

Also...What would everyone recommend...Open back, or closed back for a 2x12 cab.

Which would you choose and why?

Thanks!!

-Elliot

 

[Tadpui]

A 15-Watt tube amp thru a 4x12 is plenty loud for most small/medium sized venues. A 120-watt tube amp thru a 2x12 is going to be loud enough to play to your entire neighborhood from inside your house. I'd seriously consider a much lower-wattage amp.

 

[Farview]

But doing that would make it possible for me to blow the speakers out because of the 120 watt head?

Very unlikely, you would really have to have the thing all the way up for a couple hours of doing nothing but palm muting. It ain't gonna happen. Celestions don't blow that easily, and I'll wager that you don't turn your master volume up past 5.

 

[elenore19]

A 15-Watt tube amp thru a 4x12 is plenty loud for most small/medium sized venues. A 120-watt tube amp thru a 2x12 is going to be loud enough to play to your entire neighborhood from inside your house. I'd seriously consider a much lower-wattage amp.

Alright then. I'm looking for a tube head then to go with the 2x12 which I'll get.

Any suggestions?

The peavey windsor is the only thing I found that has some good reviews and is very decently priced. It just happens to be 120 watts.

Very unlikely, you would really have to have the thing all the way up for a couple hours of doing nothing but palm muting. It ain't gonna happen. Celestions don't blow that easily, and I'll wager that you don't turn your master volume up past 5.

Alright, sweet, thanks.

 

[Outlaws]

Alright then. I'm looking for a tube head then to go with the 2x12 which I'll get.

Any suggestions?

The peavey windsor is the only thing I found that has some good reviews and is very decently priced. It just happens to be 120 watts.


Alright, sweet, thanks.

How about a used 50 watt Marshall? A JCM900 or a DSL2000 will do punk plenty good.

 

[elenore19]

How about a used 50 watt Marshall? A JCM900 or a DSL2000 will do punk plenty good.

The JCM 900 is a 100 watt head, I mine as well get the Peavey windsor for 200 bucks cheaper and 120 watts.

I can't find the DSL 2000, even checked the marshall website.

 

[Outlaws]

The JCM 900 is a 100 watt head, I mine as well get the Peavey windsor for 200 bucks cheaper and 120 watts.

I can't find the DSL 2000, even checked the marshall website.

No, the JCM 900 is available as a 100 watt head. There is also a 50 watt version.

You might as well get the Peavy though since some people need to learn the hard way. Your logic for the Peavy holds no water and is the last reason you should choose one amp over another. Price is fine, and a very good reason. But wattage is not one of them. Its hard, but pretend wattage doesn't exist. Quality over quantity.

 

[elenore19]

No, the JCM 900 is available as a 100 watt head. There is also a 50 watt version.

You might as well get the Peavy though since some people need to learn the hard way.

haha, alright. So where could I find the 50 watt head version? and what price are we lookin' at?


(sorry if I came off as an ignorant prick before)

 

[Outlaws]

haha, alright. So where could I find the 50 watt head version? and what price are we lookin' at?


(sorry if I came off as an ignorant prick before)

See my edited post.

Check eBay.

 

[elenore19]

No, the JCM 900 is available as a 100 watt head. There is also a 50 watt version.

You might as well get the Peavy though since some people need to learn the hard way. Your logic for the Peavy holds no water and is the last reason you should choose one amp over another. Price is fine, and a very good reason. But wattage is not one of them. Its hard, but pretend wattage doesn't exist. Quality over quantity.

Yeah, alright. I was just looking into other amps because another guy suggested going with a lower wattage.

I'm just looking for a fairly good Tube head to power a 2x12 cab with 2 vintage 30's.

I'll definitely check ebay for that. Thanks.

EDIT: One last thing though. The peavey windsor has gotten some great reviews, some saying it sounds almost as good as a high end marshall tube head. I'm wondering if you've heard different, or had any experience with it to say that it really isn't that good of an amp.

 

[Outlaws]

EDIT: One last thing though. The peavey windsor has gotten some great reviews, some saying it sounds almost as good as a high end marshall tube head. I'm wondering if you've heard different, or had any experience with it to say that it really isn't that good of an amp.

Reviews? The only review I believe is the one in my head while standing in front of the amp. There hasn't been an honest review in a guitar magazine (or their websites) in ..... oh probably ever. Pimp the product, point out that its the loudest 15, 50, or 100 watts you have ever hear in your whole life, say the only thing missing is Hendrix himself to play the guitar, and then toss a few stars or something under the MSRP.

I haven't played it, but I never said the Windsor is a bad amp. I just said its too much wattage and I would take a Marshall or Mesa over anything that says Peavey because I have been playing long enough to remember when they only produced garbage. (yes, I still hold that against them) A lot of people like the blues amp they are making though, so maybe they have changed. Either way, it doesn't sound like you have played the thing before, and if I was going to drop $500-600 sight unseen, I would take a Marshall without hesitation over a Peavey...even if its used.

 

[jonnyc]

Also take reliability into consideration. I'm having the feeling that a well built Marshall(or any other reputable company)will probably have fewer problems than the cheaper Peavey. If you were just in the studio it probably wouldn't be as much of an issue but you're planning on gigging with this amp which means it's going to take a few more bumps than a studio amp and if the QC is great it could crap out on you way before something like a Marshall ever would.

 

[Outlaws]

So the Windsor is $400, plus a 212 cab, that is like another $300-350 after shipping.

I would take this over that. But it is all IMO and YMMV.

JCM900 50w 212 combo.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-JCM-90...ryZ38075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

JCM900 100w 112 combo.
http://cgi.ebay.com/MARSHALL-JCM-90...ryZ38075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

JCM900 100w 212 combo.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-JCM-90...ryZ38075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

TSL2000 60w 212 combo. (I don't know how much $$$ it will end at though)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-JCM200...ryZ38075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

TSL2000 100w 212 combo. (same with the ending price...)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-TSL-12...ryZ38075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here is a great choice IMO...
DSL2000 40w 112 combo.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-DSL401...2QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38075QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-JCM200...4QQihZ003QQcategoryZ38075QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-JCM-20...0QQihZ012QQcategoryZ38075QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Anyways, IMO heads with cabs are nice, but these are all better values from my perspective given what you have previously posted. Every single one of them will be more than loud enough for what you want to do, and every single one of them will sing with actual Marshall sustain.

*Disclaimer: There are a lot of "purists" who hate the JCM900 because it is not a JCM800 2203 with the vertical inputs. Don't mind them, its still a Marshall, it just isn't an 800...but an 800 probably wouldn't suit what you sound like you want to do anyways.

 

[marshall409]

great post outlaws. you've brought to my attention how tube marshalls are really not as far out of my grasp as i thought! do you have any more thoughts on comparing the 900's to the 2000's and combos verses stacks?

Ada,

 

[Outlaws]

great post outlaws. you've brought to my attention how tube marshalls are really not as far out of my grasp as i thought! do you have any more thoughts on comparing the 900's to the 2000's and combos verses stacks?

Ada,

Thanks.

900 vs 2000........ The 900 has silicone diodes in the clipping path (which is the crux of the opposition). The 2000 I don't recall has any. Much more gain in the both the DSL and TSL....plus they have more "modern" sound. I had a 900 and didn't think it sounded bad. But then I wasn't trying to get the 800 sound.

Combos are just convenient. 4 12" speakers are moving a ton of air. Its hard enough to crank a 50 watt amp without having 4 speakers pumping out dB levels enough to shake stuff off walls before the amp has even started to break up. Money permitting, I would take a Marshall head with a quality 112 or 212 cab over the combo, but I would take a combo Marshall over a less than stellar head with a nice cab....you can always drop Vintage 30's into the combo later on, or just buy a separate cab too and then use either the internal speakers or use the cab....or both. Its really a toss up and comes down to personal preference on stack vs combo.

 

[ggunn]

Thanks.

900 vs 2000........ The 900 has silicone diodes in the clipping path (which is the crux of the opposition).

Silicon is the substance from which diodes and transistors are made. Silicone is the substance from which strippers' bodacious ta-tas are made. Unless the 900 of which you speak has had a boob job, I believe you mean the former. ;^)

What's a clipping path? I know what that is in Photoshop... Anyway, all the diodes I've seen in tube amp schematics have been in the HVDC power supply. I believe that what some folks don't like about them is that they don't let the voltage to the power tubes sag under high demand conditions the way that tube rectifiers do.

No offense intended. I'm stuck at work and I'm bored.