Windows 7 v Windows 10 for music production?

linz

New member
I have been a long time user of Windows 7 which I love because of it's ease of use and accessability.
I am running Ableton for my music compositions which is running sweet.

The need for Windows 10 applications is now creeping in as Windows 7 is starting to become more redundant for certain programs .

My friend has Windows 10 and I hate it, but am I missing out in regards to music production or should I carry on with Windows 7 to the death as it were?
 

ecc83

Well-known member
Morning Linz. I have read several times on a forum I respect greatly that W10 has a better "engine" (whatever TF that means!) for music applications than all previous Msft operating systems. However I would think that these improvements would only be evident on DAWs and equipment developed POST win 10? I am NO computer guru but I doubt your existing DAW and interface would benefit at all from an OS change.

This laptop is W10 and runs Samplitude Pro X 6 very well (not that I do a lot!) but I also have an i3 4core HP laptop that runs Sam Pro X3 perfectly fine as well. (FWIIW I also use the HP on the internet and have never had a problem)

My advice would be to keep the W7 machine going. Maybe keep it off the net? Unless you can find a really good deal on a W10 machine (lap or desktop?) start saving for a seriously powerful W11 PC. (pref' from someone like Scan)

I would not EVER consider installing W10 on the W7 machine.

Dave.
 

rob aylestone

Well-known member
If it works - there seems little point changing. At some point, one or two things you use regularly will require Windows 10 for an update. If you swap OS on any computer, you rarely get a "wow - that's better' moment. Often, just a stop to annoying banner reminders X isn't supported any more or Z won't work next week.

I have never subscribed to the keep it off the net approach simply because virtually everything I have now - Steinberg, Spitfire, Adobe etc, requires the net, all the time. With a bot of protection against silly stuff, and common sense, downloading and connection's not an issue for me.

The most annoying thing is where advice is always to use the latest drivers, you get to a stage when an ancient, in computer terms, OS stops you installing things you'd rather like. That is the time to upgrade. My 7 to 10 never even cost me. windows asked if I wanted a free upgrade to 10, and I said yes. It upgraded and carried on working as before. I now have two windows 10 machines next to each other and their menus and features are a bit different. They both say they are up to date. That's windows for you.
 

ecc83

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Hi Rob, I don't subscribe to the "Web is evil" cabal either. I just meant the OP could 'retire' the W7 machine from the internet, 'just in case'? I use my W10 laptop for everything and have never had a problem and I only have ever used Msft Defender and an occasional sweep with Malwarebytes.

I too ran the free W10 upgrade on my 'best' desktop (6 core AMD Black 3g) and hated it so I rolled back to W7 PDQ. Most of the extra functions of my M-A 2496 card were gone, never to be foind again.

"If ain't broke......."

Dave.
 

linz

New member
Thanks for the comments, so I run my Windows 7 off the net. My pc is duel booted to Linux for going on the net.
I run Ableton
Premiere Pro
Audition
Photoshop Lightroom with no problems at the moment.

So looks like I will be keeping the 7 till the end then.

Going to build a new pc with a better CPU and motherboard, buy a small used RME interface off ebay then I'm done for a while.

Just to add regarding windows 10 update, one thing I do know is my friend updated his Windows 7 to 10. It never ran his Cubase 10 properly, so I did a complete install of the actual Windows 10 and it made a massive difference. So the update works nowhere near as good as a clean install of windows 10.
 

VomitHatSteve

Hat STYLE. Not contents.
Thanks for the comments, so I run my Windows 7 off the net. My pc is duel booted to Linux for going on the net.
I run Ableton
Premiere Pro
Audition
Photoshop Lightroom with no problems at the moment.

So looks like I will be keeping the 7 till the end then.
I was gonna say, the main disadvantage of using an old OS (assuming your process works) is that you're not getting security updates anymore.

If you run an old computer offline, that problem is mitigated.
 

RFR

Well-known member
I’m running two machines, one with reaper and one with protools 10. Both are using windows 7. Both never go on line.
Both are trouble free. :D
 

markmann

Member
My original laptop that was dedicated to recording had XP on it and I kept that until newer software that I wanted didn't support XP and I upgraded to Win7. I will switch to a newer OS when the same thing happens with 7.
 

ecc83

Well-known member
My original laptop that was dedicated to recording had XP on it and I kept that until newer software that I wanted didn't support XP and I upgraded to Win7. I will switch to a newer OS when the same thing happens with 7.
Well, you can try but the old XP motherboard may not run on W10. If had seen any of the debates about W11 Microsoft initially said not all computers would be suitable for an upgrade from 10 to 11. Just ONE OS jump! Going from W7 to W10 is not a likely scenario IMHO.
Msft have since pulled back a bit on "you are going to need a new computer" and it seems that with a bit of know how most W10 machines can be upgraded?

Not this little bunny tho! I bought a W10 laptop when I was told my W7 HP would be instantly sent to buggery if I tried to use it on the internet. Total BLLX. As I said the HP goes online several times a week, nay bother.
I am pretty sure Ten will see me right until I am too ga-ga to use a computer!

Dave.
 

RadicalDelusion

New member
I have been a long time user of Windows 7 which I love because of it's ease of use and accessability.
I am running Ableton for my music compositions which is running sweet.

The need for Windows 10 applications is now creeping in as Windows 7 is starting to become more redundant for certain programs .

My friend has Windows 10 and I hate it, but am I missing out in regards to music production or should I carry on with Windows 7 to the death as it were?
Whichever one you are using, there is a big difference between the home and professional versions. Definitely go with pro. Windows is not optimal for audio production but it is a lot more functional than it used to be. My love affair with Mac OS is dying and I'm about to switch from ProTools on Mac to Reaper on Ubuntu Studio Linux. If your is DAW compatible, then I would highly recommend looking into switching to Linux. Ubuntu studio is a great OS for audio and video production and it is free. Ardour and Reaper are practically free, with just about the same exact functions as logic and ProTools. and a permanent license is no more than $50. That includes lifetime updates. I don't know if you are already using a specific digital audio workstation as you did not mention one. ultimately, whether you use version seven or ten of windows would boil down to which version of your JW software you're having which one it is most compatible with. Also, remember that with windows, there're a lot of deep system settings that you need to change to make audio production goes smoothly. Turn off any background processes and apps running. Turn off all graphic effects and make it run for best performance rather than have Windows choose for you. Pro tools require some serious changes to deep system settings. Windows has many uses and as far as 3-D graphics and gaming go, hands down is the winter. It has come a Long Way, leaps and bounds, for audio production but still nuts native in a lot of awkwardness and frustration involved. If you use the machine for things like a gaming, the changes you have to make to run a DW smoothie will possibly interfere with that. I have used ProTools 12.3 on Windows 7 professional with all of the graphic bells and whistles turn off and it runs okay but still not nearly as native as with Mac OS. You have to install extra drivers and codecs, and sometimes there's a conflict between the windows AES I O drivers and your audio interface drivers and it can get confusing. Also it's sometimes possible to brick your audio interface device to do a firmware glitch. MacOS & Linux are almost always plug-and-play with audio. If you are using software that is compatible with Windows 7, I would stick with seven Pro and make sure to keep it as slimmed down as possible. If not, then do the same thing with 10 pro. You might want to consider a separate hard drive or partition for the version of windows in which you're using to produce music as some of the system settings may conflict with some of the other things use it for
 

RadicalDelusion

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Well, you can try but the old XP motherboard may not run on W10. If had seen any of the debates about W11 Microsoft initially said not all computers would be suitable for an upgrade from 10 to 11. Just ONE OS jump! Going from W7 to W10 is not a likely scenario IMHO.
Msft have since pulled back a bit on "you are going to need a new computer" and it seems that with a bit of know how most W10 machines can be upgraded?

Not this little bunny tho! I bought a W10 laptop when I was told my W7 HP would be instantly sent to buggery if I tried to use it on the internet. Total BLLX. As I said the HP goes online several times a week, nay bother.
I am pretty sure Ten will see me right until I am too ga-ga to use a computer!

Dave.
You can disable those annoying pop-ups trying to get you to update
 

TalismanRich

Well-known member
Well, you can try but the old XP motherboard may not run on W10. If had seen any of the debates about W11 Microsoft initially said not all computers would be suitable for an upgrade from 10 to 11. Just ONE OS jump! Going from W7 to W10 is not a likely scenario IMHO.
Msft have since pulled back a bit on "you are going to need a new computer" and it seems that with a bit of know how most W10 machines can be upgraded?

Not this little bunny tho! I bought a W10 laptop when I was told my W7 HP would be instantly sent to buggery if I tried to use it on the internet. Total BLLX. As I said the HP goes online several times a week, nay bother.
I am pretty sure Ten will see me right until I am too ga-ga to use a computer!

Dave.
The big issue with Win 11 not supporting older computers has to do with the Trusted Platform Module which is a hardware security system. Win 11 wants TPM 2.0 which was implemented into Intel Processors starting with Gen 8 and AMD with Zen2 processors. A few motherboards had TPM2 modules on a chip, but that wasn't widely done.

It is possible to install Win11 on older processors as long as they have TPM 1.2 , however. It takes some fiddling with the registry. There is a fellow locally who refurbishes computers and has installed 11 on them.

I'm not enamored with Win 11 so far. They seem to enjoy having people learn how to do something, then change it all. Microsoft continues to try to hide anything technical from the user, as they clearly understand that we common user folk are too incompetent to use a product without screwing it up. If they were building cars, they would move the throttle from side to side every few years, make the speedo read from right to left, then left to right the following year, and hide the light and wiper controls because they can be made automatic. You would need a mechanics license to open the hood!
 
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