Seafroggys
Well-known member
As Greg says, the difference between amateur and pro is the drum sound 
I take great pride in recording drums, I love doing it
I take great pride in recording drums, I love doing it
WhiteStrat
Don't stare at the eye.
As Greg says, the difference between amateur and pro is the drum sound
I take great pride in recording drums, I love doing it
I'm not even a drummer--and I agree 100%. I use recorded drums in loop form for most of my stuff--and its great--even fools some drummers. (And it should, since its real drums--it's all in the creative/realistic use.)
But I got a kit a couple years ago--it's sitting 12 feet behind me right now. And I can't play it a frikkin' bit! But I'm still glad I got it. It's worth it just to make it that much easier to use real drums for a project when I can get my hands on a drummer.
And like others have said, recording drums and having them sound good is a point of pride. Gettin' 'em right has got to my favorite part of recording.
ez_willis
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undoubtedly. so many variables.
WhiteStrat
Don't stare at the eye.
And to the original point--I've never used the recorderman method. This thread's got me kinda stoked to try it.
ez_willis
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pretty sure i posted those same exact words about 5 years ago. fucking do it. man, i'm telling you.
ez_willis
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ya know, this may not be good advice if you're getting great drum sounds. like i said, my oh's have always sucked, and i am certain it's because i don't know how to place the mics and am working alone in a room that has my kit and mixer/monitors in it together. fudging mic placement is a bitch like this. with recorderman, i set the mics up like they suggest here, and BAMMMMM!
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WhiteStrat
Don't stare at the eye.
Alright ez--you've convinced me. I'm gonna set it up and get a drummer over here. I'll post a comparison.
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RAMI
Guest
There's also the Glyn Joghns Metthod, which is similar to Recorderman, except that with the Glyn, the second mic is off to the sdie beside the floor tom. Here's a link to the Glyn Method: http://www.blaxploitation.com/drums/
I use a combination of both. My first mic is still pointing straight down at the snare. But my second mic is somehwere between where the Recorderman and the Glyn puts it. It's at about elbow height, diagonally pointing in from between me and the floor tom.
I use a combination of both. My first mic is still pointing straight down at the snare. But my second mic is somehwere between where the Recorderman and the Glyn puts it. It's at about elbow height, diagonally pointing in from between me and the floor tom.
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RAMI
Guest
Also, I don't bother with the measurements for the kik. I make sure the 2 overheads are equal distance from the snare only. If I have to flip the phase on my kik, no big deal.
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Greg_L
Banned
This ^^^^^^^^^
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Greg_L
Banned
I think the Recorderman/Glyn Johns style OH setups are great for home recording because, in my experience, they seem to be a little more immune to bad rooms than traditional OH techniques. No, you never see pro studios use these setups anymore, but pro studios have the best of everything. They usually want room influence. Most of us recording drums in a spare bedroom or basement don't want much room influence. Recorderman is easy to set up and works well in bad rooms.
Supercreep
Lizard People
Mono drums can be awesome, too.
Bitter Dawn
BM is the Devil's Fuel
Very interesting. In all my time on the HC drum forum I've either missed or, just never seen this sort of OH set-up. I'm definitely going to give this a try. 
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
This method was shown to me a long time ago and I thought it was the best thing till I finally got a good room so now it's back to big stereo OH to get the room into the mix.
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RAMI
Guest
I've lived in 4 different homes since I started with the setup I'm using now. I've always had pretty good rooms, mainly because I have a lot of bass traps, etc.... I'd never go back to anything else other than the 4 mic Recorderman/Glyn Johns method I use no matter what kind of room I was in. If anything, maybe one day I'll try adding close mics and/or a room mic.
ez_willis
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i'm gonna throw an LDC up at about 5' high as far in front of the kit as my tiny little room will allow, just to see if it helps bring the cymbals out.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
A few weeks ago, I recorded my mate playing drums at the warehouse of the company I work for and I put a mic in the back of one of the vans to act as the room mic. With the preamp up as far as it would go without humming, the mic picked up everything, better than the overheads and it's an average mic. Kick and all. It was a little raw but I was shocked. Especially when I heard that kick . It was about 10 feet away, maybe belly height off the ground, pointing slightly downward towards the bass drum.
ez_willis
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i'm playing in a 12'x12' room. the drums and desk take up most of that.
WhiteStrat
Don't stare at the eye.
Knock a wall down, park a van outside and put a mic in the van. C'mon? Where's your initiative? Your commitment?
ez_willis
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it died a few years ago.