Why is metal dead?

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so this is for anyone, who are the true metal bands of this DAY and age......is it metallica, pantera, grip inc., slayer, king diamond, mercyful fate, morbid angel, etc.

what defines the "true" metal band, what characteristics does a band have to have in order to be called metal with out a nu, rap, or any other prefix on it??? I'm just wondering.....
 
I was just under the impression that the word metal was used simply to describe some of the harsher tones coming out of guitars back when Sabbath and Zepplin were kicking it.

...so, in that reguards, Slayer has no more to do with Sabbath, than Korn has to do with Van Halen...just the DISTORTION!
 
Of course Punk isn't dead...why?

1.El Hefe can play classical punk.

2.Propaghandi is really just progresive thrash, commonly mistaken for Metal which you would need 3 monster rock cables attached end to end to achieve.

3.I still havn't read all my metal edge mags from the 80's

4.I still hear voices in my head...right?

5.No it's not a coco puff it's a Tumor...don't look it's rude.

6.Liza and Louise don't talk anymore so I am still waiting for the make up sex song.
 
Zer0sig-on the money dude,all the bands you mentioned are well played in my collection,have you heard the new DEP w/ Mike Patton?
 
LocusLarsen said:
I was just under the impression that the word metal was used simply to describe some of the harsher tones coming out of guitars back when Sabbath and Zepplin were kicking it.

...so, in that reguards, Slayer has no more to do with Sabbath, than Korn has to do with Van Halen...just the DISTORTION!

i agree with you 100% that it's just the distortion, but we have a majority of the people on here saying the new stuff is not metal....so what is???? that's where i'm at.....i believe that the metal that most everyone is looking for is not the popular stuff being played today......Queens of the Stoned Age, personally i think it's shit....does anyone palm mute any more?!?!?!?!?

once again the "metal" of now is underground....you have to look a little harder to find guitar and drum talent.....hello In Flames, they have talent but not many people know of them.....blah blah blah, i could go on but i stop here

:)
 
My DyingBride..........

You should watch who you agree with for I do not seem to be a popular choice.

Seriously though, THANK GOD!!!!!!!!! someone didn't call me a stupid dumbass homo.
 
originally posted by LocusLarsenSide note

Metallica grew from one hell of a metal band to being a musical genius.
I really hope you're kidding here.
originally posted by JamesArgo :D ...any band has "under 20 years" player is NOT metal band. Period.
I included the smilie so that it's obvious I caught the joke. . . but don't forget that drummer Andy Galeon was only 14 when Death Angel recorded The Ultra-Violence!

Shred may be dead (notice the qualifying word may) but metal isn't. Playing as fast as possible is irritating if done all the time, whether it's in metal or jazz or classical. (You can think of example of bands, especially in metal, that started off all full of piss and vinegar, blazing away like there's no tomorrow, only to later relax as if to say, "We proved we can play fast. We proved we have technique. Now let's play music.") But to me it's equally annoying to hear guys dumb down the listening masses by insisting that playing with technique is pretentious or bourgeois. It's the balance between the extremes where you'll find the best, most interesting playing. You don't drive your car full speed or at 5 mph all the time, right? But it's good to be able to do either when the situation calls for it. :D :p :D
 
beaverbiscuit said:
But to me it's equally annoying to hear guys dumb down the listening masses by insisting that playing with technique is pretentious or bourgeois. It's the balance between the extremes where you'll find the best, most interesting playing. You don't drive your car full speed or at 5 mph all the time, right? But it's good to be able to do either when the situation calls for it. :D :p :D

excellent point
 
a long boring post reminiscing about the good old days

When I was 15 or 16, metal was the greatest thing ever. I remember the day "...And Justice for All" came out like it was the best birthday I ever had. I remember the first semi-prog metal I heard, a friend giving me a mix tape... Side A: Slayer - South of Heaven, Side B: Coroner - Punishment for Decadence.

I learned every rhythm guitar line on Justice and South of Heaven. I saw a lot of metal. There were some huge bands back then. I saw Slayer, Anthrax, Sepultura, Coroner, Kreator, Exodus, Testament, Forbidden, Morbid Angel, Death, Prong, Megadeth, Sacred Reich, Voivod, Flotsam and Jetsam (back when Newsted was their bassist), Metallica, and so many little local bands I can't even remember them all, bands like Death Angel and all the Slayer clones like Epidemic, Oblivion... In probably a 2 year period, I saw all of those bands, many of them several times, and many of the shows were packed, if not sold out. We stayed up every weekend til 3 AM, I think it was Friday nights, to watch the Headbanger's ball, first with Adam Curry, then with Ricki Rachtman. We would always flip out when the Sepultura video for "Inner Self" came on, the rare times it appeared, and I still remember the Chemical Assault video that looked like the Clash "Rock the Casbah" video like it was yesterday.

Two things happened that changed everything for me. One was the emergence of Primus. Since I live in the Bay Area, I remember the way they started, playing for $3 or $5 at the Omni on Oakland. It seemed like they played every other weekend, and I saw them tons of times. At first it was just thrilling to see 3 peopel with such ridiculous talent up there wailing away, but after a while, it was just such infectious music. They signalled a little bit of shift in the music scene, and the "thrash/funk" scene started edging out the "long stringy hair" scene. Suddenly the big crowds were Primus crowds, the tickets were $15, and the death metal acts were playing Wednesdays and Thursdays for $5.

The second thing that happened was the travesty of the Black Album. We waited 5 years for that piece of crap. The day it came out, one of us bought a copy and I sat in a tense living room with probably 12 other little metalheads, and we listened to it 3 times in a row. I still feel like a little part of my soul died that day. It was like being betrayed, we all felt like we trusted James Hetfield to guide us through our metal guitar adolescence, and what he gave us was basically an AC/DC album. Say what you want, but metal never recovered from the Black Album. It was the most popular Metallica album up to that point, but the crowd for "metal" shifted from awkward long-haired teens in Forbidden shirts to the whole mullet/Bud shirt crowd.

There were a few points of light after that, like the first Friedman Megadeth album, the Anthrax "Time" album, and there were still a few good Sepultura albums after that. But the scene had clearly changed. I bought a Kreator album to find the music vastly simplified and a pot leaf on the back. Sepultura's "Roots" was an incredible album, but I don't think it was really "metal," just really great heavy tribal music. Coroner covered "She's So Heavy."

The rest of the scene specialized and in doing so, the fan base was splintered into smaller and smaller sections. Prog "Death Metal" was practically jazz, with Chuck Schuldiner assembling groups that included 6 string fretless bass. After Seasons in the Abyss, Slayer went speed/death metal for a few albums. Everything changed. I saw Soundgarden open for Danzig, and was actually impressed that something so loose and sloppy could also make me feel something. When "Smells Like Teen Spirit" hit in 91 or whatever, metal had already fallen apart.

Now it's so splintered a recovery would be impossible. I mean, Black Metal? Hardcore? Remember the 2 or 3 years of Grindcore? It's so specialized and aimed so directly at each tiny little genre, it's impossible to capture the kind of power and attention that it once did.
 
I actually consider the fragmentation of metal a blessing. You are putting down Chuck Shulder for putting together groups that feature a fretless 6-string bassist? Chuck Schulder and other artists like him breathed life into a dying and stagnent metal scene. The only way metal would stay the same and remain stagnent is if it was still main stream and governed by the major record labels and MTV. Do you think Limp Bizkit or Creed have evolved and changed the way modern metal is played or created?
I like the fact that I can listen to thrash then put in prog metal then switch it to death metal/fusion like Cynic or Control Denied. Metal isn't just about head banging you know.


clif
 
You guys are overanalyzing.

Every trend in music "dies" in part because the next generation needs to rebel against the previous. Also, a genre gets tapped out and there is nothing original left. The next generation is looking for something new and rebellious. It happens about once a decade.

In a broad generalization:

60's: folk/psyche rock
70's: disco
80's: metal
90's: grunge
00's: nu metal

Each generation of teenagers dictate what's popular. Especially because they are the ones spending tons of cash on their favorite bands. The previous generation gets older/more responsible and slows down on CD, concert, t-shirt, etc. purchases.

Us being musicians are a little different than most others because we are less fickle in our love of music.
 
"Schuldiner." I have every Death album, and I saw them 4 times, twice on the same tour, so no, I'm not putting them down. I'm just using it as an example of how metal became fragmented. You think the people who loved Reign in Blood would love "Human" by Death? Sure, maybe 5% would think it was brilliant. But the rest would tune it out. The audience for each little fragmented genre is a shadow of what it was when metal was huge.

I think you totally missed my point. No one in 1989 would have asked if metal was dead, but now it's a valid question.
 
beaverbiscuit said:
You don't drive your car full speed... all the time, right?

Gotta disagree with your analogy.

The only reason I don't drive my car 145 mph is because it's illegal. If it wasn't illegal, I would. :D
 
60's: folk/psyche rock
70's: disco
80's: metal
90's: grunge
00's: nu metal

You missed hip-hop and pop, the two biggest selling genres in the 90's and 00's.
 
charger said:
"Schuldiner." I have every Death album, and I saw them 4 times, twice on the same tour, so no, I'm not putting them down. I'm just using it as an example of how metal became fragmented. You think the people who loved Reign in Blood would love "Human" by Death? Sure, maybe 5% would think it was brilliant. But the rest would tune it out. The audience for each little fragmented genre is a shadow of what it was when metal was huge.

I think you totally missed my point. No one in 1989 would have asked if metal was dead, but now it's a valid question.

You know I re readf your post and realized I completely missed your point. Sorry about that :) I agree with you. (boy I should try hard to not look like such an idiot...)


clif
 
Lopp said:
Gotta disagree with your analogy.

The only reason I don't drive my car 145 mph is because it's illegal. If it wasn't illegal, I would. :D
:D Yeah, but all the time? Maybe if I lived in Utah or New Mexico where there are lots of long open stretches. I'd still probably end up as a road pizza. :p

Seriously though, Loppster, you know what I mean. I know that you know, but I write for those who don't know any better. Like the roller coaster analogy, there's something exquisite about going from supersonic to subsonic in a lead or a song.

And since I've already used Death Angel for an example, how about their song "Voracious Souls"? Man, those between-the-verses breaks are such a jolt. Gonna have to get a copy of that tune. If y'all ain't heard it, you owe it to yourself to check it out.
 
The black album certainly felt like a betrayal at the time....

But it forced me to look beyond metal to find great music. It is ridiculous to think of genres of music as sacred, and distinct. Most people and musicans are just as hung up on the 'dress code' of their chosen genre as they are about the music. Fuck that! Music first, scene last.

The end of Metallica helped me wake up and smell the Zappa so to speak (and to enjoy, incorporate, and appreciate something from almost every genre of music I've encountered).

-Jett
 
beaverbiscuit said:
Seriously though, Loppster, you know what I mean. I know that you know,

I know I knew that you knew what I know.
Damn, those are funny looking words.

knew knew knew knew
know know know know


And since I've already used Death Angel for an example, how about their song "Voracious Souls"? Man, those between-the-verses breaks are such a jolt. Gonna have to get a copy of that tune. If y'all ain't heard it, you owe it to yourself to check it out.

I'll only pick it up if the guitarist can drive 145 mph.
;)
 
charger said:
You missed hip-hop and pop, the two biggest selling genres in the 90's and 00's.

Yeah. I thought about those. Pop also was big in the 80's: Madonna, Michael Jackson, Phil Collens, etc. Now it seems to especially appeal to prepubescent girls. (Except for Britney Spears, who appeals to all men when you turn off the volume). :)


Damn. I'm gettin an urge to dig out some old vid tapes. I think I've got Dokken around somewhere taped along with Scorpions' World Wide Live. Ooh, then there's Maiden's "Video Pieces."

Bummer my Anthrax DVD doesn't have studio versions of "Time" and "Indians." Only live footage.

Then again, I just might pop in my Ozz DVD. Zakk's a madman.
 
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