why i'm angry

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It really kinda makes me mad that to use protools, the standard software for everything audio at this point (education, pro....almost consumer now too)....you HAVE to own their hardware too!!

I get so angry that I bring home my protools session every day (from class), and CANT work on my mixes at home (which I have actual monitors set up at).....simply because I don't have an mbox/digi-design/m-audio HARDWARE...

just angers me, I don't know..ha...

anyway to get protools and then make it THINK another soundcard is an mbox or something? Just for listening/mixing purposes (not necessarily recording)?
 
If all you're doing is listening, then why not just pick up a piece of M-audio gear and download a trial version of Pro Tools M-powered?
 
I feel your pain. I hate protools with a passion. have digi002 and have never used it.

I will never use it for anything. Bring back analog gear. The digital stuff is disheartening.
(though DSD technology sounds great..but thats cuz it sounds close to analog!)
 
ugh, seriously...are we going to go through this again?
yes, Pro Tools requires hardware, just don't use it if it's such a pain.

why do you bring your Pro Tools sessions home everyday if you can't work on them at home? Seems like a waste of time to burn them to CD/DVD if you can't get them to work. Sorry that Pro Tools isn't free. You people would still be complaining even if they sold the software separately. You'd be complaining that you have to pay $1000-2000 just "to be able to work on my mixes at home."

Digidesign is a company that does business. They don't give away their stuff for free. Spend the 380 bucks and get the M-Audio Transit and M-Powered if it's that important that you work on mixes at home.
 
bennychico11 said:
ugh, seriously...are we going to go through this again?
yes, Pro Tools requires hardware, just don't use it if it's such a pain.

why do you bring your Pro Tools sessions home everyday if you can't work on them at home? Seems like a waste of time to burn them to CD/DVD if you can't get them to work. Sorry that Pro Tools isn't free. You people would still be complaining even if they sold the software separately. You'd be complaining that you have to pay $1000-2000 just "to be able to work on my mixes at home."

Digidesign is a company that does business. They don't give away their stuff for free. Spend the 380 bucks and get the M-Audio Transit and M-Powered if it's that important that you work on mixes at home.
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well I know all of this...ha.

I'm at school, and I got a firewire drive. The "labs" or "studios" are only open like 2 hours a day besides class times and it gets to be a pain. I am lookin into getting a cheap piece of m-audio USB stuff or something...just seems like it's rediculous that I have to do it.

I am happily using Vegas at home, but of course - the school and the pro world uses protools, so I gotta do it too.
 
bennychico11 said:
ugh, seriously...are we going to go through this again?
yes, Pro Tools requires hardware, just don't use it if it's such a pain.

why do you bring your Pro Tools sessions home everyday if you can't work on them at home? Seems like a waste of time to burn them to CD/DVD if you can't get them to work. Sorry that Pro Tools isn't free. You people would still be complaining even if they sold the software separately. You'd be complaining that you have to pay $1000-2000 just "to be able to work on my mixes at home."

Digidesign is a company that does business. They don't give away their stuff for free. Spend the 380 bucks and get the M-Audio Transit and M-Powered if it's that important that you work on mixes at home.
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protools fanboy to the rescue!!

just kidding, i like to stir the pot
 
SOME of the Pro world uses Pro Tools. Not everyone does. Just as not everyone in the video world uses Final Cut Pro (even though they should :P).

There are plenty of studios out there that use Logic, Sonar, Cubase, etc., though the larger ones will probably have multiple software packages for compatibility purposes.

The studio we've worked with in the past uses the MOTU software I've never heard of, but promised me Pro Tools compatible sessions in the event I needed them that way.
 
UB802 said:
Oh yeah, Sonar Imports/Exports OMF as a STOCK part of the app.
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I forgot all about that one.

Shack, if you can export your sessions from "class" as omf files, then you can open them up and work on them in Sonar, if that tickles your fancy.

Just curious ... Why do you say "ha" all the time? Is that part of your native dialect? Is it an Ohio thing? :D
 
minofifa said:
protools fanboy to the rescue!!

just kidding, i like to stir the pot
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not at all...i just can't stand people talking crap about Pro Tools so much. it's probably bitched about more on this site than Behringer. I feel like starting a thread about how much I hate Nuendo...just because I want to start a flame war. Gimme a break. :rolleyes:
I've never started a thread to complain about the programs other people use, and don't plan to. To each his own.

I don't preach that Pro Tools is THE only software to use. It works for me, I like everything it has...but I also have qualms with some things it doesn't have. I'm sure everyone of you here could complain about something your program doesn't have.

However, there are now 18 hardware devices that a you can choose from. And that's for LE. So why doesn't any of those interfaces work for the home user??
Second, I totally disagree with you, UB802. My Pro Tools system works great...and this is an old ass system. It probably works 363 out of 365 days a year. Which is pretty damn good for what I need. And it's EXTREMELY intuitive in my opinion. Name something you think is not intuitive? It's very similar to other programs out there...so much so, I don't feel like an idiot everytime I open Logic, or Nuendo, or Cubase.

Nothing of PT is a scam. A scam is when you are lured into buying something that you didn't want with promises that it would have everything you need. If you do your research you can plainly see what PT has and doesn't have. If you buy it and then bitch "Oh, it only has 32 tracks??? what a rip off!!!"...i have no sympathy. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Digidesign will always have a leg up on the competition with the TDM units. Why other companies haven't offered the same thing for cheaper, I don't know. And I'm glad they have LE units available with limited features. Being someone who works in the industry this give ME a leg up on the non-industry users. It makes it so Joe Smith can't just go out and buy an M-box or M-Audio transit and have everything I do in one little box.


Shack....even if PT didn't require hardware, how would you plan on opening PT sessions in your home anyway if you didn't have PT? Like I said, if they got rid of the hardware/software combination they'd probably jack the price of the software up like every other company does....so it'd be like $500 and the hardware would be $600-700 or so.
 
Bennychico11, you are absolutely right. I don't like the way Digidesign locks you into things just like a lot of people, but they have their reasons. Since I don't agree, I just don't buy Pro Tools. It isn't a scam or a ripoff, purely a decision that digidesign made for their own reasons, which in my opinion are valid, just not for me. In general, Pro Tools systems are not very buggy, but also not any more stable than any other properly set up system. The difference is that Digidesign makes it much easier for the average user to get a Pro Tools system up and running properly by having stringent requirements. They take a lot of possible problem areas right out of the loop by offering only a limited line of hardware. Do I like that? Hell no. Does it work well? Hell yes. Professionals in the industry don't have time to jack around with programs and operating systems to get them to do what they are supposed to do. That is major reason why HD accell and a G5 are so valuable to a lot of studios. For many people it is worth the extra money to not have to think about it. PLenty of power, low maintenance. Thats what pro's want so they can spend their time working with their clients. Thats why studios have interns to maintain a lot of the equipment.

Personally, I prefer my Cubase SX3 setup on a PC over Pro Tools LE any day of the week. I don't like being limited, and I am willing to invest the necessary time to keep my system running fluidly. I also like my upgrade options and the open architecture and cheaper prices for things. Does that mean that the next guy chould not use pro tools? Hell no. It may be the best thing for them, just not me. It sucks that the labs aren't open enough for you, but that is no different really than many other areas of life and school. Should you expect your AutoCad files to be usable at home in some 3d designer software? Personally, I would hit Ebay or something and find an old Mbox for cheap. Then you will have Pro Tools at home (since that is what you need) and Vegas. Best of both worlds for you:)
 
I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what you use, but how you use it. If you track the music well, it won't matter what you use - you'll use a hint of compression, EQ, and then MAYBE reverb and it should sound pro - doesn't matter what software/hardware combo you use (obviously not radio shack equipment, but middle to high end stuff) if you have good musicians.
 
xstatic and grn, two well thought out explanations.
you can get good results from any program. The program isn't what makes a good engineer.

Pro Tools works.
Nuendo works.
Cubase works.
N-Track Studio works.
Cool Edit Pro works.

Pick one and just start recording.
 
bennychico11 said:
xstatic and grn, two well thought out explanations.
you can get good results from any program. The program isn't what makes a good engineer.

Pro Tools works.
Nuendo works.
Cubase works.
N-Track Studio works.
Cool Edit Pro works.

Pick one and just start recording.
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?? sonar hater.... :D
 
UB802 said:
Yeah, they are the only software that HAS to use it's own hardware too.

What a fucking scam!

In my many years of engineering, I only had to suffer a few PT sessions. Yeah, I said SUFFER! Hunk of junk software. Hard to work with, not intuitive, and as "buggy" as anything out there.

It is funny when PT guys would come to the studio and see Sonar in action with the UAD 1 card on a XP PC. They could believe how easy it was to do most things, and how EVERYTHING they wanted to do, they could do!

Oh yeah, Sonar Imports/Exports OMF as a STOCK part of the app. PT? You gotta pay for the OMF option! What a fucking scam!
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Are you trying to make me give you good rep? My God, I actually agree with you about something. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
I would submit that if the way a company chooses to market THEIR product actually makes someone mad.......he or she should seek counseling.

Jeez is this thread for real???
 
ha.... (not an ohio thing, a me thing i suppose - I've been doing it for years and now it's just habbit/nuerotic or something...ha...plus i like to laugh).

Anyway....

I'd rather always work with Vegas at this point. It's easier to do the things I do most often quicker, and I've been working with it for 3 years as opposed to half a year (PT = 1/2 a year).
that being said, If I could buy pro tools for my home, and it'd work with other hardware, then I could bring my class projects home to MY place - and listen on some decent monitors. in most of the lab/class situations there are NO speakers at all (just my phones while I mix)...and I have to burn quite a few CDs of mixes to take back to listen elseware (no that I wouldn't do that often anyway...but probably a few less CDs if I was usin speakers in the first place!).
Additionally, if I do something small at home, I have to burn a data CD to take it to the lab room and put it on protools there.

luckily, I found "macdrive" which lets me use my mac formatted HD as any other PC firewire drive...that's been a huge help recently....but I still can't open up my PT sessions in vegas..damnit! hahahaah.




yeah, i'm just bitchin I know, but I hate that the industry standard had to be the software that ONLY works with certain hardware. If the standard was something more universal (your pick!)....then I could take my "any brand" hardware and just pick up the "universal software" in addition to whatever I like better/use on a regular basis outside of class(vegas).....catch my drift? ha
 
shackrock said:
yeah, i'm just bitchin I know, but I hate that the industry standard had to be the software that ONLY works with certain hardware. If the standard was something more universal (your pick!)....then I could take my "any brand" hardware and just pick up the "universal software" in addition to whatever I like better/use on a regular basis outside of class(vegas).....catch my drift? ha
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no, i don't catch your drift....sorry
Even IF Digi offered software and hardware separately and their software worked with everything...you'd still have to purchase the software, which I'm sure would cost you quite a bit more than Vegas. So whether you purchase JUST the software to work with your current soundcard, or purchase THEIR hardware that COMES with software....you'd still need to dish out some money in order to do your work at home. And you'd be spending probably the same amount either way.
Does this make sense? Let's say your school used Nuendo instead. Nuendo works with everything!!! (even digi hardware by the way...but i'm not getting into that).....You STILL would NOT be able to bring home your Nuendo session file and get it to work in Vegas. The hardware is NOT what matters here...it's the software you are using. You don't have the $2000 Nuendo software.
And even if you brought home an OMF, you won't get any of the plugins to work that you have at school either...so mixing at school while adding plugins, and then going home and trying to mix some more without the plugins would just be pointless.

I think what YOU want is Vegas to be able to open .PTS files....which is never going to happen.

;)
 
nah nah, that's not what i'm saying.

I'd use protools to work at home on my protools sessions (which would be all school related as far as I'm concerned). Ideally, my school would offer a huge student discount for the software only (which is extremely common, and affordable). So that would take care of that.

I know I'll never be able to use vegas to work on another software's session (well, probably never, haha.)....although that'd be nice.... but having the standard be only accessable by certain hardware limits people a lot, that's all I'm saying I guess.

and yes I know I could use vegas and the digi racks or mbox, but again - if I had the digidesign hardware (or maudio), I probably wouldn't have even made this thread. ha.
 
Maybe it would make more sense if people realized that Pro Tools as a standard started long ago back before Pro Tools LE and at the time it was still VERY expensive. It was never designed to be a "home" program. Home users and musicians are the ones responsible for making it the standard. The pro's would probably rather it wasn't so they could have more of a stronghold:D
 
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