Why I don't hang around this forum much any more... :-(

[Armistice]

O.K. Armistice, would it be too much of a rant and rave to point out that the new government are also having problems with implementation ?

NBN fibre-to-the-node trials delayed | ZDNet

It is almost a year since the election, and I have no idea when my area will be upgraded, "reverse economic order" or not. When connecting so many houses someone has to come last, regardless of the government of the day.

I never said they weren't Tobe... look, I like the concept of the NBN, I have questions about its cost and implementation -my point is that Labor tends to be good at broad brush concepts, some good, some not so good, but they are crap at actually implementing them because they don't know how, they don't have that level of expertise.

I work in an industry directly affected by a large number of Labor government initiatives - almost without exception they're good ideas, and almost without exception they were thought bubbles without any detail attached, which have had to have been extensively worked on by the industry itself, and several have proven to be absolutely unimplementable because there's a difference between a good idea and what's actually possible. It's a grinding process to get them to accept that something just can't be done, when really, engagement with the industry, instead of just populist thought bubbles, would get a better, cheaper, overall result.

All this has thrown massive cost onto the industry which is recycled through the products sold and which affect the core Labor constituency far more on average I'd imagine, than the core LNP constituency.

 

[Armistice]

The NBN caused problems because tight sphinctered, long pocketted profit takers like, but not soley, Telstra, (50% Govt owned), won't spend money on anything anymore because of the NBN.
It's like the insulation disiaster - the then govt is getting monstered because businesses didn't train their staff, comply with the regulations and look after their staff. they were too busy making a motza from the opportunity.
Does any Royal Commission have a brief that allows it to investigate the businesses? NOOO!
Both policy were good, both implementations were a little rushed at first and businesses were the ones who took advantage and have caused the problems.

I go to HR when I get home to listen & unwind before doing all those other things.

Indeed, my point exactly re. Telstra ray - I've seen your FB posts on your particular problems and I've had many a long conversation with them about the damn line into my apartment, but they will NOT do a thing, and all because of the NBN. But it's the way it was negotiated that was the issue. Foreseeable, I'd think.

I think the RC on the pink batts program is a witch hunt no doubt, but I also think that Labor sometimes, and particularly in this case, have little clue on the obvious flow on effects of their grand schemes, and could have done more to monitor the situation and curb the shonks that were always going to be attracted to a pool of money of this nature. Garrett may take the fall and if so I'd say his crime was naivety.

This and the school halls program and the recycling of taxes via cash handouts did lots to ward off the GFC here, but they could and should have been done better and cheaper IMO. Would, if they were in power, the LNP had a better outcome re. GFC? I personally don't think so, but as life doesn't allow A/B trials, we can't now - the very thing I rail at about Labor sometimes - the grand sweeping ideological concepts - was probably what saved our various arses with the GFC... but now, here we are, and the budget's become a wrecking ball and that was always going to happen.

Like they say... it's complex.

 

[rayc]

David, good response & yes, complex.
Keep the music coming!

 

[Tobe]

Good to see the heat coming out of the debate. As you have probably guessed I don’t like the Murdoch (sic) government very much.

We define a recession as 2 quarters of negative GDP growth, and during the Global Financial Crisis we avoided the 2nd negative quarter by 0.1%. The stimulus during that quarter added 0.7%. It had to be rushed and it was almost perfect.

The fact that the current budget is a wrecking ball is not of necessity, and the budget itself does very little to the bottom line. The “budget emergency” is just confected rubbish from a government that has spent its first year talking down the economy... un-Australian I call it

Murdoch wastes a lot of money on print media in Australia and the only reason I can imagine why is because of the political clout it gives him. After all, Abbott has not broken a single promise to him, as this article points out.

Abbott's faceless men of the IPA | The Saturday Paper

 

[radi0j0hn]

If it doesn't break all the rules, try rebooting with a "live" distro CD of Puppy Linux. Runs 100% in RAM, no need to put anything on the PC and it may be faster for you.