NegadivOne
Alchemy slut
Well I for one would be lost without DI technology. I use my guitarport for all my guitarwork. Ive never been able to get a good sound by mic amping, mainly because I dont have a good sounding amp.
Farview
Well-known member
The guitar port is an amp simulator, it's not the same thing as a DI box.NegadivOne said:
NegadivOne
Alchemy slut
Farview said:
Yeah I know its not a DI box, I was trying to use the DI technology term loosely. I dont use an amp for recording, I go directly in to my computer.
Creamyapples1
www.murphycabs.com
DI's have their place and time.
IMHO, DI's have their own place and time. When I'm recording an acoustic/electric I always mic (sometimes two) the guitar, but I also use a DI. Sometimes a DI for an electric will fit, depending on the tune. More often than not, you'll never beat a mic'd amp/cab. I can pull tones out of my amp that I'll never come close to with a DI, but this also works in reverse, I can pull some silly shit out of a DI that my amp would get up and walk across the room before it would repeat. It's all about preference, use and neccessity.
IMHO, DI's have their own place and time. When I'm recording an acoustic/electric I always mic (sometimes two) the guitar, but I also use a DI. Sometimes a DI for an electric will fit, depending on the tune. More often than not, you'll never beat a mic'd amp/cab. I can pull tones out of my amp that I'll never come close to with a DI, but this also works in reverse, I can pull some silly shit out of a DI that my amp would get up and walk across the room before it would repeat. It's all about preference, use and neccessity.
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Ironklad Audio
New member
hey dick, maybe the DI box will get a better tone than your shit-cheap amp
DI's can be gay at times, but i'm telling you - run a good bass through a good DI box, then into a UA 2-610 and an LA-2A(or other combo of tube pre/optical compressor), and you'll nut in your pants
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ericlingus
New member
why did you call him a dick and then make fun of his amp?
Farview
Well-known member
Probably because he is the kind of moron that is more worried about what his stuff looks like instead of what it sounds like.
The simple fact of the matter is that the sound most bass players like on stage doesn't sound good coming out of the PA system. A lot of performers are too wrapped up in what it sounds like to themselves instead of what it sounds like to the audience. (you know, the people they are there to entertain)
Too many people treat the soundguy like the enemy, which is the dumbest thing you can do. He is the guy that can make you sound great or sound like shit.
When I was running live sound, every once in a while a band would really be a bunch of condecending dicks. If you pissed me off enough, I would run the vocals in the monitors through a pitch shifter set a 600 cents sharp, or I would run the drum monitor through a 50ms delay.
You don't have to give the soundguy a big hug and buy him a drink, just be nice to him. He is the guy standing between you and the audience, he can turn your set into a trainwreck.
The simple fact of the matter is that the sound most bass players like on stage doesn't sound good coming out of the PA system. A lot of performers are too wrapped up in what it sounds like to themselves instead of what it sounds like to the audience. (you know, the people they are there to entertain)
Too many people treat the soundguy like the enemy, which is the dumbest thing you can do. He is the guy that can make you sound great or sound like shit.
When I was running live sound, every once in a while a band would really be a bunch of condecending dicks. If you pissed me off enough, I would run the vocals in the monitors through a pitch shifter set a 600 cents sharp, or I would run the drum monitor through a 50ms delay.
You don't have to give the soundguy a big hug and buy him a drink, just be nice to him. He is the guy standing between you and the audience, he can turn your set into a trainwreck.
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Adam P
Well-known member
While I don't think that a band should be "condescending pricks" to the soundman, or anyone else directly involved with the production of the show, I don't think that being underhanded and intentionally trying to induce the band into a bad performance does any more for the situation. Everyone's in it together. If the bands weren't showing up to play the venue, the soundman would be out of a job (not to mention the promoter, and possibly the venue owner). I know of people who wouldn't play a venue because of poor sound or a meddlesome soundman. So, I think that for a professional soundman to vindictively attempt to coerce a band into performing poorly reeks of classlessness. This is way off the topic of DI boxes, though, so whatever.
Farview
Well-known member
If they were big enough assholes, I'd do it to. You would have to be WAY over the line.
Besides, there are far more bands than there are clubs to play. If it is a popular club, bands will play there. I'm sure the overwhelming majority would have a pleasant experience.
Besides, there are far more bands than there are clubs to play. If it is a popular club, bands will play there. I'm sure the overwhelming majority would have a pleasant experience.
Farview
Well-known member
Let me be very, very clear. These guys put the ick in dick. Most bands are a pain in the ass in one way or another, that's normal. These clowns were so over the top, it just needed to happen.Adam P said:
BTW, the FOH sounded great. It was very clear and powerful, too bad the singer was singing flat the whole night.
Codmate
New member
Simple - they don't respond to my playing like an amplifier.
Oh yeah - and they sound like ass
Oh yeah - and they sound like ass
killthepixelnow
Do it right or dont do it
Reamping sound cool, I will try it. I have been reading a lot of threats about recording guitar and they get to the same point: Decent distortion comes from your amp. Think is true but at the time I don't have the money to afford a Fender head and a 4x12 cabinet. I'm guessing if I shold use a tube combo (Maybe a Fender or Marshall) and get a decent sound. Suggestions?
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Ironklad Audio
New member
umm...maybe cause he called the sound guy a dick for trying to run his bass through a DI? and maybe also cause just about any head/cab combo that you can get for $600 is gonna sound kinda like my toilet did 5 minutes ago, when i was filling it with stinking wind from my ass
edit: and a quick question about re-amping: is there anything that needs to be done impedance/level-wise when running a DI signal from an unbalanced send on a mixer into a guitar amplifier? my assumption would be that the unbalanced send is going to be a lot hotter and have a lower impedance than what the amplifier is expecting - or does it not really matter? i have a few DI guitar tracks that i would love to reamp through something rather than using emulator plugins, but i don't much feel like torching my amp's innards - i've been down that road once before, and it sucked ass.
Farview
Well-known member
You need to run it through a passive direct box backwards. You will need to get a 1/4 to female xlr cable to do this. You will also need to have a way to control the volume of the output into the amp. You won't smoke anything if you don't, but it won't sound very good.Ironklad Audio said:
treymonfauntre
Magic Bag Of Sounds
who else thinks its hilarious that this guy's first post is from 5 days ago saying "i just bought a behringer ultra-g" and his signature is already a picture of it saying its great
rayc
retroreprobate
I stopped reading all the posts - they were all pointing you in the one direction.
Why would you bother DI'ing into your amp? Unless you're using the G to modify your sound before amping it. In that case you're not using it as a DI - you're using it as a signal modifier - FX unit - ......
I dojn't bother with a DI because I use signal modifiers for some things then direct into the recorder OR I set up my map the way I want it to sound, mic it up (trying to preserve that sound - not always poss & a principal reason people opt for amp/cab sim apart from noise in the apartment or lack of money for a good amp) & blast away.
You had 1 neg comment & quoted three in your 2nd post. Naughty - you'll fail the assignment if you don't use your sources properly.
Cheers
rayC
Why would you bother DI'ing into your amp? Unless you're using the G to modify your sound before amping it. In that case you're not using it as a DI - you're using it as a signal modifier - FX unit - ......
I dojn't bother with a DI because I use signal modifiers for some things then direct into the recorder OR I set up my map the way I want it to sound, mic it up (trying to preserve that sound - not always poss & a principal reason people opt for amp/cab sim apart from noise in the apartment or lack of money for a good amp) & blast away.
You had 1 neg comment & quoted three in your 2nd post. Naughty - you'll fail the assignment if you don't use your sources properly.
Cheers
rayC
gcapel
boom box recordings
ggunn said:
Very good.. That's what i was thinking. It's good to have around, but not the primary source for tracking. For example, I use a di box for tracking bass guitar, along with tracking with a beta52 mic.
killthepixelnow
Do it right or dont do it
I remember
In fact, my first signature was a dbx 166xl and a dbx 266xl. I change it to show the pic in this post.treymonfauntre said:
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ggunn
Crystal Flavolian
Sillyhat said:
As a former full time and nowadays sometimes FOH guy myself, I've gotta say that I never intentionally made a band sound bad or gave them bad monitors no matter how irritated I got at them. That's unpro and as bad (maybe worse) than a band's attitude probs against sound guys. I agree in general with the sentiments you express, but taking such action against a band is a lose-lose proposition.
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ggunn
Crystal Flavolian
Farview said:
I would wire up a pot with one outside pin to the hot side of the 1/4 connection to the amp, the output of the board to the wiper, and the other outside pin common to the shields of both. I have several of these that I have made up; they work great.
