why can't I master my own stuff?

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Originally posted by The Seifer I understand that a pro with the right gear will undeniably make a better master than me. I'm just saying that It's possible come very close to a pro master if you know what you are doing.

This is true.

I have done this to some of my rock mixes and have actually gotten them hotter than some blink 182 and Green Day cd's with no overs, distortion, compression artifacts, etc. I like the sound of these loud punchy squashed rock songs though and I purposely tried to emulate them when mastering my songs, which may explain why it was fairly easy.

And this shows that you have no idea what mastering is even about. Which of course doesn't mean that the mixes you do doesn't sound good, they may very well sound great. But what you do to the mixes is not mastering, and is only remotely related to it.
 
greggybud said:
Take Bob Katz completely out of his environment of a mastering studio and put him in a bedroom with egg shell cartons and some Mackie HR824s. Could he still master like a pro?
While it would be interesting to see the results, they won't prove anything about whether someone can DIY at home.... why? That's like taking a stethoscope away from a doctor and asking him if he can still diagnose a heart flutter.....!
 
The Seifer said:
Sounds like the "pros" don't want all of their groupies to know how easy it really is if you have half of a brain (but most of them probably don't).
This statement right here pretty much shows how clueless you really are when it comes to mastering.....

:rolleyes:
 
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Although the concepts may be easy to understand (technical/in theory) for some, that is a long way off from actually being able to create true pro quality/polished masters. From what I’ve heard form most DIY “mastering gear” is not much more than cranking the hell out of the levels and widening (to some degree) the stereo field.

That being said, I have heard some of the same things from major label releases as well. That might account for so many DIYers thinking mastering at home is no big deal??? :eek:
 
what the hell is that??

Extremely harsh high-end, horrible drum sound... very thin mix lacking any sort of punch... no bass definition.

I wouldn't be waving this around as a shining example of DIY mastering -- actually go ahead, it proves why DIY mastering DOESN'T work!
 
I'm not bashing you but It is extremely harsh - highendy (icepick to the forehead). :confused:


Not sure what your mix enviroment (control room, monitors, monitor placement, etc.) is but, that may have something to do with the quality of the sound?
 
The Seifer said:

now watch me get flamed by some crybaby pussy

Well, just for the record, I never flamed anybody. Flaming would be calling someone names, say like, crybaby pussy.

If you'd really feel all that confident in yourself, then follow this link,

http://recpit.prosoundweb.com/viewforum.php?f=9

and post your mix on there, and tell them that you can do just about as good as a pro could do mastering.

Then, when they tell you that you are deceiving yourself, argue with them like you are doing here, and you'll see some real flames.

There are people on this website that have worked hard for a long time at doing this for a living, and some have built a pretty solid reputation around here as to knowing what they're talking about. Someone posts a question with a serious interest about how something works, and they get a serious, very helpful reply by some of the veterans of the board here.

Along comes some newbie, talking like he can do it all by himself, and telling pepole that those with the experience on this board that are giving out advice are using flawed logic. For the new people at this site, that may not know any better, they think "Hmmm, maybe that guy is right, and soandso doesn't know what he's talking about." That really affects how people can effectively learn around here, and it's not fair to those that want good advice on how to get better from people that actually know the facts based on their own experience, instead of hearing arguments made by someone with no experience, except for remixing a song or 2, done with so little real interest of doing it for real that the software used is openly pirated. That shows absolutely no respect for the people that have earned it through their hard work.

I'm not flaming you, I'm just trying to get you to shut your fucking mouth, if you don't have anything real, or positive to add to the discussion. Now, I've been sucked into it and am posting things that aren't positive, either.

The entire issue here is respect. Even with the mastering. You can tweak your mix all you like, it's not the same as mastering. BBS's comment about the doctor is an example that hits the mark perfectly there. All the experiment would find is wether or not the professional could still do his job without his tools. You are saying that you have so little respect for the professional, that you could do almost as good of a job without those tools as he can WITH them.

Complete horseshit.

Hey, I just read a book about how rockets are built. I'm pretty sure that I understand what I'm doing. I'm sure that I could build a rocket, and it should get to space with no problems. Even though I've only got some sheet metal parts, and some wire, and a soldering iron.

Well, I'm sure it's at least ALMOST as good as NASA's.

:rolleyes:
 
The Seifer said:
yes u guyz r rite I SUX

Before I listen, I just wanna note that nobody said you sucked. Just that you didn't know what you were talking about. That is two different things. I know nothing abut musical theory, but I think I write good songs. I know a lot about mastering in theory, and I would be able to master my way out of a cardboard box.

So. Now, to the business of listening....click...click...download....

Eh? What.... Ahhhmmm....You gotta be kidding me... Ah, of course, you ARE a troll. I seriously doubt anybody can really believe that this is on par with the "masters". You are just pulling our collective legs.

Very funny. Haha.:rolleyes:
 
Why don't you assholes critique like this in the clinic? I posted the exact same damn song and all I got was "good job sounds pretty good" from some apparent dipshits that don't know anything! There is plenty of music in there that sucks big time and you never tell it like it is!
 
Well, first of all, in the mp3 clinic, it's the whole that is critisized. I think the guitars sounded pretty good, and nice licks. The drums are always hard to get a good sound on in a home studio, and that was the major problem in that part.

But now we were talking about the mastering, and it sucked ass. It's harsh, bright and in my opinion overcompressed, and it sounds a lot like digital distortion, although when looking at the waveform I can't see it. Maybe my ears get tricked by that nasty sounding synth in the beginning.
 
Well that is all I wanted critiqued in the first place, and I asked but nobody delivered. The extreme compression and limiting and compression was purposeful and is typical of pop/rock music these days. There is also no digital distortion apparent over my monitors/stereo/headphones/car or in the waveform either.
 
The Seifer said:
Why don't you assholes critique like this in the clinic? I posted the exact same damn song and all I got was "good job sounds pretty good" from some apparent dipshits that don't know anything! There is plenty of music in there that sucks big time and you never tell it like it is!


Guy, I think your taking it way too personal. However, I did a search on the clinic to find your original post (10/19/2003, 06:23). Below is one of your quotes

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"Yeah, I understand about the EQ definition, but its so hard to get it right especially when I don't have real monitors and no real mastering experience. I used a VST plugin called T-Racks and just tweaked some of the presets a little to get a decent master."
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Not for nothing, if you are going to make statements like above, you really can't expect anyone to take you seriously about this threads subject matter.
 
The Seifer said:
Well that is all I wanted critiqued in the first place, and I asked but nobody delivered.


Yeah, I know how it is. You hope for "Perfect" and you get three people saying "Aint bad" but comes with few helpful hints. But hey, we are mostly a bunch of amateurs here... :)

And remember also, that unless you piss people off, they are gonna be nice. "Aint bad" means "Aint good", and "Holy fucking cow that is amazing" means "That is quite well done". :)
 
Well SIMMAN I was trying not to start some dipshit flamewar like this one.
 
regebro said:
Yeah, I know how it is. You hope for "Perfect" and you get three people saying "Aint bad" but comes with few helpful hints. But hey, we are mostly a bunch of amateurs here... :)

And remember also, that unless you piss people off, they are gonna be nice. "Aint bad" means "Aint good", and "Holy fucking cow that is amazing" means "That is quite well done". :)

...except the "amazing" material isn't that good...
 
The Seifer said:
Well SIMMAN I was trying not to start some dipshit flamewar like this one.

But you did, because you claimed that you could master really really good at your home, even though we explained why you could not, and even though you obviously didn't know what you were talking about.

So next time, just don't try to pretend to be an authorative source of information when you are not, and these flamewars will not appear again.
 
chessrock said:
I think his stuff sounds like a cheezy beer commercial.

Oh yeah!?!?!? Well it's better than the acoustic pussy rock that everyone else posts! SLAM in your face dude!
 
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