Why aren't vintage Fender Mustangs worth anything?

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Because no famous guitarist ever played one on MTV making all wannabes immediately rush out to find one?

Closest is Kurt Cobain's infamous "Jag-Stang"
 
1. They were always the cheapest Fender. Limited nostalia/wish I had one o' these when I was a kid factor.

2. They don't play particularly well. See above.

3. Strats: Clapton. Hendrix. SRV. Blackmoore. Harrison.

Mustang: Cobain.
 
thehymns said:
Check out this guitar:
http://www.gbase.com/Powered/GearDe...96a59-4889-4cb5-a396-eb3e21ea6208&Item=815861

That thing looks sweet, it's from 1967, and it's only $700? Why are Mustangs the cheapest of the Fenders?

That guitar is after the CBS buy-out that took place January of 1965.

I don't keep up on all the details of when teh Mustang or Jaguars where made, but I believe the Jaguar was introduced in 1962....I have seen some original Jaguars (I forget the year) sell for about $1800. That might not be a lot, but considering that is one of those off the wall guitars, and very few people that worshipped Kurt Cobain ever made anything of themselves to have the money to drive it up in value, thats a good deal and a lot of money.

Though if anyone read that aricle about investing in gutiars, I would put original pre'65 Jaguars and Mustangs (if their are any) that are in mint condition as excellent investment pieces....once all the Fender Strats truely are out of reach price wise, these will be the only things you can get ahold of....then they will start to go up. ;)
 
Outlaw is correct. It's a CBS-era Fender, and right off the bat,those don't command as much as pre-CBS Fenders. It has the F-tuners, the F-neckplate, CBS headstock and the bevels on the front and back of the body. The originals didn't have and bevels at all.

Plus, it's a re-fin, and that takes away from the value as well.

Kurt Cobain did help boost the prices of these things in the early to mid-90's, and maybe they've come back down a bit. I mean, he certainly influenced my purchase of 2 Mustangs, a 1978 and a 1964. However, I've sold both of them. I traded the '78 in on something, I can't recall. It was like this one with the bevels on the body, etc. I just never totally dug it. I traded in the '64 on my first Les Paul for a couple of reasons. When I bought it, it only had a portion of the headstock decal still intact. I contacted Fender, and they send me a new headstock decal, but it wasn't correct for that year, and they said that it was all they had. I put it on the guitar, but I wasn't 100% happy, so I traded it.

Pre-CBS Mustangs still fetch a pretty good amount of money, though.

As far as the sound and playability go...it's all personal preference. That vibrato system is notorious for not staying in tune, and having owned 2 of them, I can say that they really don't stay in tune very well if you use the vibrato. Tone-wise, though...they're pretty nifty. Each pickup has a 3-way slider switch, and you can put the pickups in and out of phase, which can give you a lot of different sounds. Are the sounds useable? That's up to the player.

Another aspect of the playability is the short-scale neck. Even the standard neck on a Mustang is pretty short, but then there were some with even shorter scale necks...my '64 had the shorter scale neck. It may be weird for some to play.

Before I bought either Mustang I've owned, though, I actually bought a 1965 Fender Duo-Sonic II. Same body, pickups and switching as the Mustang, but no vibrato. I had read that they only made the Duo-Sonic II for one year, but I found a site that had some examples of made after this one year period, but still...they were only made for a short period of time (late '64 to '67). I kinda dug the Duo-Sonic II's more because they stayed in tune better but still had the same vibe. So, I still look for Duo-Sonic II's. I found one more, a 1964, and I still have both of my Duo-Sonic II's.

I think they sound great for certain things. Neither will be my main guitar, but the '64 sounds great distorted...the pickups have aged well. The '65 I have is a little brighter and cleaner, and it has a beautiful flame on the neck. It's a much nicer neck than should be on there, but this was a period where Fender was just using parts from whatever guitars to make 'em. Both Duo-Sonics I have are pretty different. The '65 has the nice flamed neck, longer scale and MOP dot markers where the '64 has the shorter scale neck, no flame and clay dot markers.

The Mustang will never go for the crazy money that a '59 Les Paul will, but they're still cool guitars.

That said, I'm not sure a '67 refin is worth $700.00, but maybe it is.
 
I bought one for about $150 twenty-five years ago, and it wasn't a great guitar. I'm surprised they'd go for $700.
 
I had one for a short period of time ...


the best way to describe a mustang ... "its a children's guitar" ... seriously ... its about 20bucks worth of cheapish materials put together, has abouts 3mm of paint on it that kills any tone (y called mine M&M :D ) is very small, has unhandy ergonomics (ever try to go back and forth between the PUPs in a solo????)

ahhh put her in tune - put her down - pick her up again - prepare to retune :p

if you want a SERIOUS guitar - look elsewhere

cheers
alfred
 
No, it's not a great guitar. But I saw Luther (I think his last name was Tucker?) play one in Muddy Waters's band in 1972, and he sounded great.
 
AlfredB said:
ahhh put her in tune - put her down - pick her up again - prepare to retune...

Yeah, that whammy contraption was an engineering nightmare. I replaced it with a hardtail brass bridge, and the pups with a Seymour Duncan Vintage Staggered Strat at the neck, and the Quarter Pounder at the bridge.
 
The ad says it was refinished too. Take off points for that.

I'm looking for a Mustang Bass for my kid. 30" scale.
 
c7sus said:
The ad says it was refinished too. Take off points for that.

I'm looking for a Mustang Bass for my kid. 30" scale.

A band I was in during 1971, the bass player had a mustang bass, he was and still is about the best I've ever seen and he made it talk, lead bass so to speak.
Clive
 
Recently picked up a '72 Musicmaster bass for my son to start on - was looking for a Mustang for ages because of the scale/body size, but this turned up. Probably Fender's cheapest-and-nastiest, but I was damned if he was going to learn bass on something that didn't say "Fender" on the headstock!
 
I remember when they came out. I never cared much for them, as they seemed the economy version of other Fender models.

Ed
 
YeshuasFan said:
Because no famous guitarist ever played one on MTV making all wannabes immediately rush out to find one?

Closest is Kurt Cobain's infamous "Jag-Stang"
He played a lake placid blue Mustang with a light blue stripe and matching headstock in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video. It made me want a Mustang when I was a kid. That christmas I got a 66 dakota red Mustang. It was my only guitar for about 4 years till I started buying things like Ibanezes and ESPs. :)
 
The only other reasonably famous guitarist I can think of that played one was Elvis Costello (I think) the only thing it's really got going for it (apart from it looking a bit different) is the pickup combinations.
 
I have to admit I wanted one after seeing Kurt Cobain use one, they do look pretty cool, but when I learned that they're a shorter scale that turned me away from them, I personally like 25.5' best, even 24.75' seems kind of short.
 
ibanezrocks said:
I have to admit I wanted one after seeing Kurt Cobain use one, they do look pretty cool, but when I learned that they're a shorter scale that turned me away from them, I personally like 25.5' best, even 24.75' seems kind of short.

Yeah, Kurt Cobain was pretty much the reason I started looking into Mustangs...him and the band Mudhoney. The cover of "Superfuzz/Bigmuff" had a Mustang on it. I've seen pics of Buzz Osborne from The Melvins with a Mustang as well.

The shorter scale is weird to get used to, but it's not horrible.

And yes, they were sort of student guitars or Fender's lower-end guitars...which is why they don't really command too much money...they still, in some cases, command more than one would think.

Cobain also used to play a Jaguar routed for humbuckers.

Elvis Costello has a Jazzmaster on the cover of "My Aim Is True", but he may have played Mustangs at various points as well.

I still dig the Competition Mustangs with the stripes, though...those things are so cool looking.
 
hiwatt357 said:
Elvis Costello has a Jazzmaster on the cover of "My Aim Is True", but he may have played Mustangs at various points as well.

Yeah, you're right, that was the one I was thinking of, the pups are different (and at an angle) on the Mustang, the Jazzmaster is a nicer looking guitar too.
 
Here's a cool site on Duo-Sonics and related (i.e. - Mustang) guitars:

Duo-Sonic Site

And on that site, there's a link to a Mustang page that breaks down their history by years (with a nifty pic of Liz Phair on the main page):

Mustang Site

The Jaguar and Jazzmaster were kind of Fender's flagship guitars at that time, so they were nicer guitar, for certain.
 
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