Which cheap deal is better?

[JFogarty]

Which cheapy Marshall deal is better?

2 Marshall MXL 2000s and a Marshall Fox dynamic for $150 or 4 MXL603s and 4 25 ft. mic cables for $300. If I did get the 4, I would want to use them for drums. Would the 603s work well on snare or bass drum? I know they wouldn't be great, but could they be decent? Thanks for any input.

J O E

 

[Gidge]

They would work great for overheads, but not much else for drums...I think youd rather a sm57 on the snare and probably on the bass drum also....I would go with the 603's for $300 with the mic cables, but not if you will be using all 4 for drums...if you need 4 drum mics, go with the Fox package from MF for $150, a sm57 for $80.....do the 1000's(with the ball taken off) as overheads...try alernating the sm57 and that Fox mic between snare and kick to see if it will work...if not use the 57 on the snare and get another kick mic.....

 

[JFogarty]

Shoulda guessed Gidge would reply first to a thread with Cheap Deal in the title But yeah, now that I think about it, I don't really think I'd ever need 4 603s. And at musician's friend, they have a deal on sm-57s where it comes with a free cable. I love free cables. So maybe I'll get the two 2000s and the Fox and an sm57. That should hold me over till I can get a real bass mic.

 

[Gidge]

Free.....cheap....Im there....

 

[seriousturtle]

i agree with fogarty. at least with the sm57 on the snare. i wouldn't go with a package deal though, cuz if one mic is fine for one drum piece, another mic might not give you the sound you want. plus, drum mic packages are used more for live sound, of which they do have a decent sound. i'd mix and match mics that give you the sound that you want

~the turtle

 

[seriousturtle]

plus, i would give the c-1000s's a chance for overheads. hear they have a great sound, as well as nt-1's in a xy coincident.

t

 

[tubedude]

perhaps..

Perhaps you would like to go with the 4 mic deal, with cable, use 2 as overheads, 1 as highhat, , maybe 1 for ride.... or, even better yet, buy the 4 mic package, and maybe we can work something out where we both get 2, split even, right down the middle $$$
Paul

 

[KaBudokan]

I assume you are talking about the Musician's Friend deal for two MXL1000's and the Fox Dynamic?

If so, I would suggets you go ahead and get this package. Apparantly (according to Harvey) the MXL1000 is the same as the 603 once you remove the ball end. If you don't need four of the 603's, get the MXL1000 package. I have no ideaa what the dynamic mic is like, but you may actually be able to use it for something...

Just my 2 cents.

 

[JFogarty]

yeah, the musician's friend deal is what I was talkng about, and I read harvey's reiew of the mics. I think I am gonna go ahead and get the 21000s and the fox. Maybe I'll get a sm57 while I'm at it, and a new mixer, and some powered monitors, and a better drum set, and , and, and, and, etc....

 

[seriousturtle]

pleeeeeeeeeeeassssssssssse.....don't get the marshal mics. gosh, they're not even drum mics. the company's just trying to get a piece of the mic industry. if you're considering condenser mics, try looking at AT3527 or AKG C-1000s. the sm57's probably sound better than than the mxl's. just read the posts on them in this bbs.

~the turtle

 

[KaBudokan]

turtle... I shouldn't be talking, but I HAVE seen MANY good comments about the Marshall 603s. I shouldn't be talking because I haven't heard them.

Mr. Gerst, who is probably one of the most respected people on this board, has said over and over that the 603s' he tested sounded almost identical to the Oktava MC012's at about 1/2 the price... He also said that the MXL1000 is identical to the 603s.

In what way is the 603s "not even a drum mic"? It is a small-diaphraghm condensor, as is the C-1000.

I've also heard MANY good things about the Marshall V67 large-dia. condensor mic, not only here, but also at RAP. Yes, the MXL2001 has gotten trashed, but the mic's I've listed have been touted as excellent deals - and better in sound quality than the C-1000 and other mics in the range (and slightly more expensive).

Sorry... like I said, I shouldn't be advocating one mic over the other, but have you HEARD the 603's or are you just basing your info on your brand-name knowledge?

 

[JFogarty]

I have, and Harvey has said that the mxl2000s would be great for overheads, I specifically asked him this question. Also, I'm going to be using these for overheads, so comparing them to the sm57 isn't very helpful. I've heard plenty of bad things about the c1000s, but I have only heard good things of the mxls, exept from people that have never heard them.

 

[seriousturtle]

fogarty, where have you heard that the c1000s is a bad mic? have you heard it? have you recorded with it with it's double in a xy coincident? it's not a bad mic at all. but if you're using it with no compression or a decent eq, then it probably won't be that good sounding. i've only heard them with the eq and compression and they sounded great. kabudokan, im interested in hearing who thinks that the v67 is a great mic. how long have they had that mic? what do they use it for? i might be basing my remarks on old information. maybe marshal is making good microphones now, even though their first efforts were ridiculed

 

[JFogarty]

I didn't say that it was a bad mic. I merely said that I have heard some bad things about it. And no I've never heard it, and I never have claimed that I have any clue what it would sound like. You told me to read this bbs, maybe you should do the same. I've heard only good things about the marshall's especially the 57. Now, I have heard bad things about the 2001 or whatever prorec reviewed. But I've heard nothing but praise for the v57. I don't think you be basing recomendations on the info that is a.) old and b.) about a mic that we aren't even talking about.

 

[seriousturtle]

easy fogboy. i think we're both basing our arguments on information that we've gathered from other people and what they think. i think that we both should hear all the mics before we go spouting off crap about the other's mics. deal? no hard feelings buddy

~the turtle

 

[JFogarty]

easy fogboy. i think we're both basing our arguments on information that we've gathered from other people and what they think. i think that we both should hear all the mics before we go spouting off crap about the other's mics. deal? no hard feelings buddy

~the turtle

Right on, right on. Exactly my thought/point. And never any hard feelings. I'm much to ignorant to be gettin all high and mighty on this bbs We'll leave that to Ed

 

[seriousturtle]

damn straight. leave it all to ed

 

[JFogarty]

He's good enough at that for all of us combined

 

[KaBudokan]

LOL

Anyway... here's quotes from Harvey's original review over at RAP:

"Marshall MXL-603 $99 This was a flat-out winner, folks. Almost identical to
the MC012 in sound, with a wide cardioid pattern, almost approaching omni. We
used them as drum overhead mics, and they did a great job. The diaphragms are
easy to bottom out on voice, but with a pop filter (and positioned above the
singer's mouth), they wouldn't be bad as a vocal mic on some singers, and they'd
probably do fine on acoustic guitar, and many other instruments. They were also
a perfect match to the Oktava MC012 - they sounded nearly identical."

"Marshall MXL-V67 $270 This was the other flat-out winner, both in the looks,
and sound categories. It's the green-bodied, gold topped Bejing 797 copy of a
C12, and it looks like it costs around $2500. Lots of proximity effect (even
more than my RCA ribbon mics) and about 1.5 dB more bottom than the TLM-103,
with a similar top end to the TLM-103. This is a real winner for some male
vocals, especially singers that make use of the proximity effect. It compared
very favorably with the LOMO M3 head for that "bigger than life" sound. If you
wanna make your studio "look" more expensive than it really is, get the V67.
And it just happens to sound great, too."

Do a search over at www.dejanews.com (now run by Google) for Marshall V67 and you'll see lots of people with good things to say about the mic.

Peace.

 

[sonusman]

I remember when $1000US would have been a "cheapy" deal on enough mics to mic up a standard drum kit decently.

I tend to suspect that is still the case.....regardless of other advice.

The high and mighty has spoken....

Ed