where does tone from?

[shiatzu]

That's considered a flaw in classical technique

if classical guitar technique is anything like classical piano technique then adding any 'soul' to your playing is considered a flaw as well.

 

[mikemorgan]

Yep, no matter what rig I assemble, and I've had quite a few, I still come off sounding like ME!

 

[mshilarious]

if classical guitar technique is anything like classical piano technique then adding any 'soul' to your playing is considered a flaw as well.

I was referring to singing, but your remark incidates to me you haven't heard very many good classical pianists. Anyway, a vibrato tail sounds cheesy. If you want to vibrato a note, don't wait, do it right off. The delayed vibrato has been done and done and done, mostly recently by every American Idol finalist. Give it a rest already--it's not soulful, it's formulaic.

And did you post on Lawler's "Come Together" thread? So where do the odd ideas about classical technique originate

 

[legionserial]

You'll never accomplish that feelingful toneliness unless you put a mic in front of a tube amp!All the pros'll tell ya that!

Does that mean my tube amp will sound like ass unless I put a mic in front of it?

Seriously tho. I reckon there are there are other things that can add to the feel of a solo, like whats going on behind it. If you are trying to pull off a solo with no backing, chances are it could sound pretty lame. I think it was Dave Mustaine who said once, "all the widdling in the world ain't sh*t unless it has a decent tune around it"

 

[greenascanbe]

Didn't I read that same story in Guitar Player years ago but with EVH and Ted Nugent as the main characters ?

The Story I heard was that Ted was dying to try out Ed's rig to see how he got his sound. He got on there and sounded like Ted. When Alice in Chains played with Van Halen Cantrell said Eddie got on his gear and still sounded like Eddie.

 

[Elmo89m]

i guess instead of spending my hours making money to buy a a marshall i should start practicing more...Eh, i liked the easy wat out.

 

[c7sus]

Elmo, you'll have to study the guitarists to learn their set-up to get their sound. You can find lots of details on the internet. You'll never have all that equipment that Gilmour had but you can get close with a multi-effects box. Gilmour used a 24 fret Lewis guitar on Time. NOT because of the special tone but because it had 24 frets to get the high notes. I cannot understand the how this whole tone thing with the fingers. There are lots of people who include everything in the word tone. I can't see how you insert deep reverb and echo into a guitar phrase with your fingers unless your fingers are moving the Lexicon knobs.

It's not about FX. Jerry Garcia had the same tone and attack on a D-28 as he did on the Tiger.

When you hear either one you know it's Jerry.

Same with George Harrison. Love him or hate him, when his guitar comes up you know it's him.

Buy a copy of Layla and wear it out. That's tone.

 

[Ed Dixon]

Tone is a combination of the guitar being used, the rig it is connected to, and the person playing it. However the talent and abilities of the person playing can easily make the biggest difference.

As the talent and ability level goes down, the guitar and rig play a larger part of the resulting tone. As the talent/ability level goes up, the gear makes less difference.

An miced acoustic 12 string will sound different from a LP through an effects rack and a Marshall. However a great player will sound great using either. Their talent shines through so well, that gear differences are mostly lost. They quickly find a way to make the gear work.

Steve Martin is a well known movie person. He also has a comedy act. Some years ago he did a comedy routine on stage where he used a single line. He found so many ways to deliver the same line (which was "What the hell is that") that it really worked.

So it's not so much about the actual notes, but the manner in which you deliver them. That's what to work on...

Ed

 

[Thatupstateguy]

As one of the older music lovers posting here,.... and having been around great players for much of that time,... I would have to agree with most saying that a great guitarist will make ANYTHING they touch sound great,... however,....

As C7 posted, Eric Clapton knows a bit about tone,.... as do many of the 'Old School' players,..... and the recording that many do is with a miced small tube amp, such as the Tweed Champ that Eric used on the recording of Layla.

That is a similar story to some of Steve Stills material, of EVH and many others,....

Tone is a result of the rig and player together,.... and it does not neccessarily mean you have to have all the latest greatest gear,.... learn about putting some of YOU into the notes you are playing,.... then some of who you are shines thru to create the subtle nuances of tone,.... it really is more about allowing the soul of sound to shine,....

and one key ingrediant,..... make sure you ,.......

well,......


you know,.....






practice,practice,practice,practice,practice,practice,practice,........



you get the point.....


Steve

 

[sile2001]

As C7 posted, Eric Clapton knows a bit about tone,.... as do many of the 'Old School' players,..... and the recording that many do is with a miced small tube amp, such as the Tweed Champ that Eric used on the recording of Layla.

That right there is an excellent point. I'm sick of these 100 watt and 150 watt and 300 and 400 watt amps. Jeez...do you want to do anything BESIDES just be loud? I would hope that sounding good is at least somewhere near the top of the list... I don't think I'll ever own another amp with more than 30 watts, and might get some that are lower.

I started out with a Peavey Classic 30 (still have it), then got a Tech21 Trademark 60, traded the Trademark 60 (60 watts) in for a Trademark 120 (120 watts), which I am now selling because I just got an Orange AD30TC. Strange that the other amps go their way while the 30 watt tube amps are still hanging around my place