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... do most of your EQ editing. Is it done during the recording, during the mixing? Further, can you do the EQ editing with computer software? or do you use a mixer to do it.

All in all, I'm very confused.

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frank.
 
bloodloss said:
All in all, I'm very confused.

You've come to the right place. In fact, we have many a confused budding audio engineer hanging around in these parts.

Pull up a chair, have a cop 'o Joe and enjoy yourself.

While you're at it, you might want to pay a visit to the newbie forum. It's kind of a support group for confused folk like yourself.

In answer to your question, there are so many ways of approaching all of this. There is no better or best way, and the opinions will vary a great deal, and some of them will even spark rather ugly yet sometimes festive and always lengthy debates.

So the answer is "yes," you can do it during tracking . . . "yes," you indeed can do it during the mixing phase (which is probably most common, I assume). And finally, "yes," you can do it with computer software, and "yes," you can do it with a mixer and even dedicated outboard eq.

What do you feel most comfortable with, and what way would be easiest and/or most effective to you? Just curious.
 
Here - chew on this..........

There are various ways to EQ.... physically - by using outboard gear or your mixer's EQ - or "virtually" - using s/w plug-ins. There are also different places to be applying EQ in the recording process - during tracking, during mixing, and during mastering.

Here are some guidelines to follow to help narrow down the when/where.....

The addition of EQ into the signal chain always results in "some" compromise of the waveform by introducing phase-shifts (time-based artifacts that can results in comb-filterig of the waveform) - especially when boosting frequencies. Cutting results in less of these artifacts, so it is preferable to apply EQ by cutting, rather than boosting, a practice known as subtractive EQ. The quality of the EQ itself also dictates the artifacts - cheap EQ gear means more artifacts, mastering-grade EQ means significantly less (for comparison, a Weiss EQ-1 used by mastering houses runs about $5500 US)...

So, using EQ to shape sound is a bit of a compromise - yes, it changes the signal, but it introduces "some" small signal degradation.... SO - the obvious solution is DON'T USE IT --- er, at least, not until absolutely necessary. "But wait...", you say, "I NEED it, my guitar/bass/drums don't have THAT sound..."

Well ok... for line-level instruments such as synths, you certainly can use EQ to shape the sound.... but for mic'd sources, it's much better to use mic selection and mic placement to get the sound you're after, rather than reaching for the EQ knobs.... for example, don't brighten an amp by boosting your hi-shelf EQ, change amp settings, change guitar PUPs, change amps, move that mic closer to the center of the cone... if you're not getting the sound you want, maybe you're using the wrong instrument/amp combination!

Another point to keep in mind - try to get your tracks sounding the way you want DURING tracking - if the tracks "to tape" are sounding the way you want them, then selecting sounds during overdubs become much easier. And even better, during the MIXING phase, you'll find your tracks will blend better (since you've already blended them correctly in the tracking process!) Best guideline to follow: never "fix it in the mix" - fix it NOW - move a mic, change the mic, change the source, move the source, switch rooms. If none of these work, THEN reach for EQ!

During mixing - if you've done your tracking homework, there should be less work needed in getting the tracks to fit, since you've taken so much care during the tracking process. But very likely, there are still some tweaks you'd want to make.... I strongly suggest you adopt the subtractive EQ approach - cut instead of boost. If there's too little highs, remove some mids or bass to shape it. This does two things - minimizes phase-related artifacts, and more importantly, reduces unnecessary signal level that will eat into your mixer's headroom (since cutting will reduce the amount of frequency "space" a waveform will take up.)

The last place for EQ - mastering - this phase of the production is for polish. Unless there's a need for a rescue operation, you're going to see very small applications of EQ - maybe 1-2db at most, applied in a range of small frequency increments rather than a cut/boost at a single frequency.... again, a subtractive EQ strategy is adopted as a preference. Generally, if you have to add a lot of EQ during mastering, something else was wrong during the tracking and/or mixing stages - could be a problem with the room acoustics or your monitoring chain.......

The other point to remember about mastering - it's usually beneficial to let someone else's ears judge the sound of your mix, so it's actually an extremely good idea to take it outside for mastering!

Good luck....!

:)
 
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good post bruce... tho I think it's good to do your own home mastering, as it is very good practice. Though I see your viewpoint when it comes to mastering for paying clients...

:)
 
Meshuggah said:
tho I think it's good to do your own home mastering, as it is very good practice. Though I see your viewpoint when it comes to mastering for paying clients...
But one thing DIY can never do is replace the benefit of having objective ears listening and judging your mix(es).... hell, even taking your mix to your audio-savvy buddy next door will help you get an objective opinion on your mixes sound quality.... then you can go back and tweak it yourself...... (this is akin to the "listening to your mix on various systems" methodology used during the mixing phase)

It also depends on the seriousness of the product involved -- if the project is simply for your own enjoyment and you plan on giving a few copies to some friends, fine - go the DIY route... if it's more serious to the point of shopping it around or even selling it outright, DIY mastering most-definitely will not cut it!
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
It also depends on the seriousness of the product involved -- if the project is simply for your own enjoyment and you plan on giving a few copies to some friends, fine - go the DIY route... if it's more serious to the point of shopping it around or even selling it outright, DIY mastering most-definitely will not cut it!

Then maybe DIY recording and DIY mixing wont cut it either...

Someone has to pay for everything tho...
If you're in the shopping/selling scenario, and can't afford to send it to a real mastering house, why not take a shot at DIY mastering?
 
Meshuggah said:
Then maybe DIY recording and DIY mixing wont cut it either...

Someone has to pay for everything tho...
If you're in the shopping/selling scenario, and can't afford to send it to a real mastering house, why not take a shot at DIY mastering?
I see where you're going with this Mesh... but A does not equal B, in this case...

The fact is, by the time you've done all those DIY processes, you're no longer objective to your own project.... you've grown accustomed to the way it sounds and anything you try to change in the mastering phase will be very subjective at best.... and one of the most important steps in mastering is objectivity.

Now - if you want to wait several months after mixing to master your own stuff, then you MAY have a shot at it......! ;)
 
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The fact is, by the time you've done all those DIY processes, you're no longer objective to your own project.... you've grown accustomed to the way it sounds

This is the reason I value the MP3 Clinic. After sitting and mixing sometimes for hours, you do get used to the way it sounds and sometimes you cannot hear what others may be able to.

Most times after posting in the MP3 Clinic, I will go back a make small corrections to the mix based on suggestions of fresh ears that have never heard the mix before. It is a very good source of objectivity.
 
The only EQ I track with is a high pass filter on a mic or mic pre when recording acoustic guitar. After tracking, I use software plugins for EQ.
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Now - if you want to wait several months after mixing to master your own stuff, then you MAY have a shot at it......! ;)

Once we have got so far to be able to create a completely new CD, soo much time has passed that I even start to re-like my songs... So maybeI should just ommit the last one ;)

aXel
 

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