Whats your recomandation?

[pandamonk]

I've never really hard a really good explanation as to why people use hardwood floors in studios, besides that it looks fantastic. I understand that carpet absorbes the wrong frequencies, but a hard floor reflects all frequencies, isn't that just as bad? Wouldn't that create lots of excess reverb? Either way, I still plan on using hardwood floors in my studio so any reasonably good suggestion will work for me.

Some like them because they make the room livelier, but in a good way. Also, you already have the floorboards there, so why waste your money on getting a carpet, when you could get a new mic, lol. Absorbing the wrong frequencies is worse than none at all. Think of it this way. You have a graphic eq attatched to you monitors. With hardwood the levels are all reasonably level, not great with no acoustic treatment, but ok. With carpet, you bring the top third of the graphic EQ down a lot, especially the highest of frequnecies. It makes it a lot more uneven than before. With 4" absorbtion on the back wall, all but the lowest of audable frequnecies will be absorbed, due to all the sound from the speakers travelling staight, reflecting off the hardwood floor, and the ceiling to the back wall. Most of the lowest audable frequnecies somehow gather in the corners, so the bass traps in the corners absorb them.

 

[Nakatira]

Some like them because they make the room livelier, but in a good way. Also, you already have the floorboards there, so why waste your money on getting a carpet, when you could get a new mic, lol. Absorbing the wrong frequencies is worse than none at all. Think of it this way. You have a graphic eq attatched to you monitors. With hardwood the levels are all reasonably level, not great with no acoustic treatment, but ok. With carpet, you bring the top third of the graphic EQ down a lot, especially the highest of frequnecies. It makes it a lot more uneven than before. With 4" absorbtion on the back wall, all but the lowest of audable frequnecies will be absorbed, due to all the sound from the speakers travelling staight, reflecting off the hardwood floor, and the ceiling to the back wall. Most of the lowest audable frequnecies somehow gather in the corners, so the bass traps in the corners absorb them.

man I`m learning a lot here.
Thanks for a great explanation.
I cant wait to try my Msp5`s in a treated room.

its gonna cost me, but it will be worth it.

By the way I Looked at the place again to today, and it turns out I`ve go a simular room to the controll room on the oppesite site of the LIve room.
In time maybe that could function as a Vocalguitar amp room.

Just need to wheeling in those big big checks

 

[pandamonk]

Well i hope I do.
Thats the frame thing aint it ...

I`ve read a few of the other posts.
Concerining the diy 703 rigid fiberglass .

I just hope I can find that stuff over here in Norway, its probbably around under another name

Try buying from europoe or the UK cause I've heard that norway prices for everything are extorsionate. Yeh that's the right thing. I'm gonig to get stuff called bonded logic ultratouch. It is slightly more expensive than other forms of rigid fiberglass and mineral wool, but has as good if not better absorbsion coefficients, and is made from recycled denim so is completely harmless. You don't need to wear gloves when installing, and don't need to worry about breathing the fibers. I'd still suggest covering with material, for aesthetic purposes, and too to keep them in the frame. Make an 8'x2' frame or suit to fit your room and put the insulation in then wrap the whole thing in fabric material. Some suggest wrapping one side in material and putting hardboard or plyboard or something like that on the other side. But much of the absorbsion happens because of the space behind, especially in the case of the bass traps in the corners. eg, a 1" piece of rigid fiberglass, spaced 1" from a wall will act like a 2" piece, mounted directly on the wall.

 

[pandamonk]

man I`m learning a lot here.
Thanks for a great explanation.
I cant wait to try my Msp5`s in a treated room.

its gonna cost me, but it will be worth it.

By the way I Looked at the place again to today, and it turns out I`ve go a simular room to the controll room on the oppesite site of the LIve room.
In time maybe that could function as a Vocal\guitar amp room.

Just need to wheeling in those big big checks

I'm just spilling out a lot of what I've learnt in months of reading an researching, in a few posts for you, lol. I think it should function quite well as it is just now. I'd get it all done this way, and have a few recording sessions. You may find that it's good enough. You could use a few of the broadband absorbers round a vocalist or an amp, and that would give you quite a dry/dead recording. I'd make a few bass traps in the live room if i were you. When recording vocals and guitar you would use these movable traps as a booth for the amp or vocals. It won't be an isolated booth, but it will be a dead booth.

 

[Nakatira]

Try buying from europoe or the UK cause I've heard that norway prices for everything are extorsionate. Yeh that's the right thing. I'm gonig to get stuff called bonded logic ultratouch. It is slightly more expensive than other forms of rigid fiberglass and mineral wool, but has as good if not better absorbsion coefficients, and is made from recycled denim so is completely harmless. You don't need to wear gloves when installing, and don't need to worry about breathing the fibers. I'd still suggest covering with material, for aesthetic purposes, and too to keep them in the frame. Make an 8'x2' frame or suit to fit your room and put the insulation in then wrap the whole thing in fabric material. Some suggest wrapping one side in material and putting hardboard or plyboard or something like that on the other side. But much of the absorbsion happens because of the space behind, especially in the case of the bass traps in the corners. eg, a 1" piece of rigid fiberglass, spaced 1" from a wall will act like a 2" piece, mounted directly on the wall.

Got a website for that fiberglass?
Just wanna check the price\shipping

And your right about prices being steep over here, I`ve bought most of my recording equipment from the U.S

 

[pandamonk]

Got a website for that fiberglass?
Just wanna check the price\shipping

And your right about prices being steep over here, I`ve bought most of my recording equipment from the U.S

Buy recording equipment from www.thomann.de they are amazing for prices. I got a bunch of stuff for my PA including 2 stage monitors multicore etc etc etc, for just over £400. And it was all shipped to Scotland from Germany for £7. Emm I was talknig to a company about the ultratouch, but i screwed up my PC and have lost their site. I will look in my e-mails

 

[Nakatira]

I'm just spilling out a lot of what I've learnt in months of reading an researching, in a few posts for you, lol. I think it should function quite well as it is just now. I'd get it all done this way, and have a few recording sessions. You may find that it's good enough. You could use a few of the broadband absorbers round a vocalist or an amp, and that would give you quite a dry/dead recording. I'd make a few bass traps in the live room if i were you. When recording vocals and guitar you would use these movable traps as a booth for the amp or vocals. It won't be an isolated booth, but it will be a dead booth.

Sounds good.
Only price will determine how much I can treat the room.
I`ll probabbly opt for the example you mentioned, with some mobile traps and a few Panels.

 

[Nakatira]

Buy recording equipment from www.thomann.de they are amazing for prices. I got a bunch of stuff for my PA including 2 stage monitors multicore etc etc etc, for just over £400. And it was all shipped to Scotland from Germany for £7. Emm I was talknig to a company about the ultratouch, but i screwed up my PC and have lost their site. I will look in my e-mails

thanks man

I`ll have a looksey

 

[pandamonk]

I can't find any emails but i'll just search google for you. There's the site about it. Actually Ask them about who you could buy from. I'm sure they'll give you the best option for you.

 

[Nakatira]

I can't find any emails but i'll just search google for you. There's the site about it. Actually Ask them about who you could buy from. I'm sure they'll give you the best option for you.

thanks.
your a big help.

 

[pandamonk]

Stop, I won't be able to walk through the door. My heads already twice its usual size, lol. I do try and help as best i can. Ok, now i gotta get to bed. I'm sure you do too. If it's 00.45 here, what time must it be in norway? 2.45? lol

 

[emergencyexit]

Just to let you know, true treatment can get very very pricey. I spent about $400 on a small treatment just a little while ago. I'm going to need to drop more cash soon on it too. Then again I'm doing it the right and permanent way. What are your plans for this place you've got, it seems that you could get quite a bit out of it. Also I wouldn't worry about too much treatment in the live room, and I wouldn't cover the floors, but I would maybe build a floating drum riser so get even a little better isolation between the two rooms and I would add just a few strait fiberglass panels to the corners. As for the control room, pandamonk's plan is very alike what I did to my room, and should suit you very well as it has suited me very well so far. My panels weren't as thick but I didn't need quite the absorption of low frequencies that I can imagine you will. Good luck with this, and don't be afraid to spend money. Its better to spend more money to do it right, then waste money to do it wrong.

Ben

 

[Nakatira]

Stop, I won't be able to walk through the door. My heads already twice its usual size, lol. I do try and help as best i can. Ok, now i gotta get to bed. I'm sure you do too. If it's 00.45 here, what time must it be in norway? 2.45? lol

Its 2 over here, and I`m headed towards bed My self.

thanks for all your help.

have a good night

 

[Nakatira]

Just to let you know, true treatment can get very very pricey. I spent about $400 on a small treatment just a little while ago. I'm going to need to drop more cash soon on it too. Then again I'm doing it the right and permanent way. What are your plans for this place you've got, it seems that you could get quite a bit out of it. Also I wouldn't worry about too much treatment in the live room, and I wouldn't cover the floors, but I would maybe build a floating drum riser so get even a little better isolation between the two rooms and I would add just a few strait fiberglass panels to the corners. As for the control room, pandamonk's plan is very alike what I did to my room, and should suit you very well as it has suited me very well so far. My panels weren't as thick but I didn't need quite the absorption of low frequencies that I can imagine you will. Good luck with this, and don't be afraid to spend money. Its better to spend more money to do it right, then waste money to do it wrong.

Ben

thanks Ben.

I plan to do a price search, and then see what i can afford.
I will do the thing I can afford properly, no monysaving gadgets.
Also when i get close to a purchase\plan I will post here again and ask for you and the other helpfull members of this board`s advice.

thank you very much

 

[Nakatira]

Come to think of it I have worked with fibergalss before.

I worked as a carpenter on summer, just as a helper, but I remeber doing isolation with this itchy stuff, "I used gloves" but it was summer and I had to wear a T-shirt.

I did some cutting and fitting into the wooden frames of the house.
after that we Coated it with plastic.

This material that we used is probbaly a bit different, as I think it was quite soft, but it came in sheets and was hard enough to stand up on its own.

If I ask for "703" I will get the right stuff right?

I have to do some looking around tommorow

 

[Supercreep]

Excellent, Naka. Bass traps are your freind. You're getting good advice.

You know how our stuff sounds, that's only four bass traps and a little foam on the ceiling and walls and carpet on the floor. I spread around little hardwood samples on the floor around the drumkit when I track.

Take your time and listen as you go. You're on the right track.

 

[Nakatira]

Excellent, Naka. Bass traps are your freind. You're getting good advice.

You know how our stuff sounds, that's only four bass traps and a little foam on the ceiling and walls and carpet on the floor. I spread around little hardwood samples on the floor around the drumkit when I track.

Take your time and listen as you go. You're on the right track.

Thanks Casey.
It was after hearing your stuff I really knew I needed to get something done. you mention in your last Mp3\clinic post that you had treated the room and I though well .
You`ve got that dry sound I`m on the search for.
So I better Buckle up that tool belt

ok. I must be off to bed got work in few hours