Ronan
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SilverSurfer said:
The older Mesa Boogie studio pre amps go for as low as $250 on the used market and are not hard to find. Not as good as blasting an amp through a speaker and micing it, but miles better than a Pod.
The older Mesa Boogie studio pre amps go for as low as $250 on the used market and are not hard to find. Not as good as blasting an amp through a speaker and micing it, but miles better than a Pod.
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SilverSurfer
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Ronan said:
Are they solid state? If so, I would think the new PodXT Pro 2.0 could come pretty close. I wonder what it'd sound like mic's through a small cab.
Otherwise, anyone know how loud an isolation box is?
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typi
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Can't imagine life without my PodXT, for home recording, practice, or for live use. It ain't tubes, and it ain't EXACT duplicates of the models & effects, but SHEEEEEEEEEEESH guys, it's perfectly close enough for rock 'n roll. The tweakability is almost ENDLESS (be prepared to work a little bit to tweak your tones), the sheer AMOUNT of tones & effects is quite amazing, and the portability-----I am reluctant to even carry an amp around any more, tubes or not. Me, the guitar, the pod directly into the board-----sheer heaven. If they could make it SMALLER, count me in.
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typi
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Whoooops ------ forgot to mention------- over at Line6.com under SUPPORT>FORUMS>POD you can find tons of home recordings of actual tunes, presets, and tones created by users. The 'customtone' part of the site, referred to above, I believe, is more for downloading and trying out a patch directly on a Pod.
HangDawg
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typi said:
Hey, if people want to sound like shit, that's their business I guess.
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Rickson Gracie
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i tried to use the pod and a tonelab for recording but didnt have a great success. i would only use one of these if sound volume was an issue and i didnt want to disturb neighbors, wife...etc. if thats not the case then get yourself a good mic and mic up a blues jr or even the voxad30 modelling amp for a much better sound. IMO
HangDawg
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I think the POD through a decent amp is bad enough. Run one through the PA direct and, uhhhhhhhhhhh. I did it once. Never again.
Ronan
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SilverSurfer said:
The Boogie Studio Pres are all tube.
They are pre amps only so you would need a power amp to mic it up and they sound great that way. I sold mine a long time ago because I do not do any direct recording anymore and I have an amp that blows away anything else I have ever used, but the boogie studio pre was a really solid piece of gear.
Ronan
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typi said:
I am not saying you are wrong for having these opinions, but its such a polar oposite to mine and my way of thinking. The general climate of recording has changed so much in just the last 10 year. 10 years ago if these boards existed people would be having arguments about what kind of batteries in stomp boxes could make the guitar sound incrementally better in search of the best possible sound. Now its people arguing about how great guitar sounds are not that important, especially if you can have a lot of bad to so so sounds to choose from. I am not busting on you typi, as your response if very typical of many, and nothing saying I am right and you are wrong, but I just think about how much worse off the world of music would be if Eddie Van Hallen used a Pod to record "Women and Children First" or Jimmy Page used one for "Houses of the Holy"
I have made this rant before on this board so its not new. I am not a purist or married to the ways of old, but I rant against guitar emulation becuase it screws up records. I make about half my living mixing records other producers have recorded and EVERY TIME the guitars are done with a Pod or the like, I have to dedicate most of my energy to fixing how bad the Pod has screwed up the record. The Pod takes deapth and definition out of the drums, takes clarity from the vocals and obsures other guitars in the track. The great test for a Pod is not to see how it sounds buy its self but mix a track with a Pod guitar track, when you think the track sounds OK, mute the guitar and listen how much better everything sounds once the Pod is gone. For the most part I no longer accept mix jobs where the guitars were recorded with a Pod, because I know the results will most likely be sub par. The label will not let me put a disclaimer on the CD that says "The drums and vocals on this record would have sounded great but the Pod screwed everything up. Its not Ronan's fault"
The Day there is a amp emulator that sounds as good as a real tube amp and does not screw up records and actually responds to a players feel, I will stop this rant and buy one myself.
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SilverSurfer
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Ronan, have you heard some of the patches for the PodXT on the line6 forums? I am not saying you are wrong because I too love the sound of a REAL amp, but you have to admit they don't sound THAT bad.
I wouldn't put them on a studio album, but for demos and the like, they serve a good purpose. For what I'm doing (home recording - this is HOME recording not STUDIO recording dot com - lol!) they work perfectly well.
I wouldn't put them on a studio album, but for demos and the like, they serve a good purpose. For what I'm doing (home recording - this is HOME recording not STUDIO recording dot com - lol!) they work perfectly well.
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typi
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Uhhhhhhhh, I think if I read the original topic correctly, wasn't it something like 'Pod for use in HOME RECORDING?????' I think maybe I'm being taken a little out of context here.
If we're talking major concert venue or large budget recording studio project,
hell, let's break out all the vintage amps and equipment we can.
And HangDawg, go back to your garage, (or hole) with that tone of voice.
If we're talking major concert venue or large budget recording studio project,
hell, let's break out all the vintage amps and equipment we can.
And HangDawg, go back to your garage, (or hole) with that tone of voice.
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SilverSurfer
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typi said:
Exactly
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mishagolin
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HOME RECORDING! who says it has to be worse than studio recording. The reason its called home recording is because of the location NOT the quality of the product. Right now i only have 2 electric guitar amps (mesa boogie dc3 and fender princeton chorus), however i'm not looking at a POD because i want my tone to rival the big studios. I can't afford Neve or Avalon preamps or even Neumann microphones, but i would get a lot of use out of another amp. So rather than buy a POD thats gonna give me 123342323 mediocre sounds I'm looking for a nice little amp that will give me "maybe" 3 more GREAT sounds. We can all agree that there is a difference in feel and touch when you play a POD compared to a real amp. So until an amp modeller can match that i'm gonna get myself some more amps even if it takes me 15 years to build up to half the sounds i could have gotten with a POD.
And by the way i don't plan on handing down a POD to my kids (when i'm old enough to have some). On the other hand i will gladly hand down an amp. They hold a different value than a piece of digital equipment.
And by the way i don't plan on handing down a POD to my kids (when i'm old enough to have some). On the other hand i will gladly hand down an amp. They hold a different value than a piece of digital equipment.
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typi
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Misha, I too am proud to say that I will be able to leave a couple of nice little vintage guitars and amps to the little tikes. (Hell, the appreciation on my guitars is out-performing my stinkin' IRA for Godsakes).
But here I sit in front of my computer based DAW, the number of tracks I can record limited only by the hardware, with my little keyboard & sampler that can play patches of every instrument known to mankind since the dawn of creation itself, connected to the whole world via the internet, with my Pod, and yes, a couple of nice old guitars and amps, and some other stuff, all just lookin' at me and waiting. I, too, long for the old days when George Martin & the Beatles recorded with their Voxes miked to what, a couple of 4-tracks hooked together? I think I kinda like the tools available today, too.
But here I sit in front of my computer based DAW, the number of tracks I can record limited only by the hardware, with my little keyboard & sampler that can play patches of every instrument known to mankind since the dawn of creation itself, connected to the whole world via the internet, with my Pod, and yes, a couple of nice old guitars and amps, and some other stuff, all just lookin' at me and waiting. I, too, long for the old days when George Martin & the Beatles recorded with their Voxes miked to what, a couple of 4-tracks hooked together? I think I kinda like the tools available today, too.
HangDawg
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typi said:
At least I have a tone. Something POD owners will never have.
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SilverSurfer
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mishagolin said:
I disagree. It's called home recording because you just will never be able to record at home as well as in the studio. SOME people can make a professional studio at home, but those of us in an apartment or condo where the walls are thin are FORCED to use alternatives to record - like Pods.
I own a Marshall 6100 with PERFECT tone for recording. I just can't use it at home.
So in the context of home recording, I don't ever think you'll get as good as a professional studio with the best equipment and enviroment to get the most quality sound. That's not to say you can't make something nice at home, but for some of us, cranking our marshall's to "11" is just not an option.
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typi
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Hangpuppy,
OK, you are the supreme 'recordist' of all that is natural and analog, (and digital too, probably, as far as I can tell). Your tone is simply unbeatable.
Now get back in your hole......
OK, you are the supreme 'recordist' of all that is natural and analog, (and digital too, probably, as far as I can tell). Your tone is simply unbeatable.
Now get back in your hole......
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mishagolin
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SilverSurfer, i know it can be difficult to record using a large amp but there are ways around it. You can record just using a preamp like the Mesa TriAxis. You can even use a powersoak and then hook your amp up to a single 12" speaker. These solutions will decrease the total volume you're putting out without severely degrading tone.
I can understand in condo and apartment situations why a POD would be necessary. I lived in an apartment while in school and i couldn't do anything without my neighbors yelling at me. However, i think that digital amp modellers just aren't as good as the real thing. I'm not gonna hang someone for using one. But as long as i can make the volume and not get a police citation i'm gonna record the real thing.
I can understand in condo and apartment situations why a POD would be necessary. I lived in an apartment while in school and i couldn't do anything without my neighbors yelling at me. However, i think that digital amp modellers just aren't as good as the real thing. I'm not gonna hang someone for using one. But as long as i can make the volume and not get a police citation i'm gonna record the real thing.
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spoonie g
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I've used one once and didn't like it. You can hear it on my band's website: www.melatoninband.net the song is called "nocturnalism," and it is only on the chorus. The verse and bridge are a bogner ecstasy 101b.
HangDawg
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typi said:
The guy asked our opinions of the POD sound. I said it sounds like ass. I asked for a sample with someone using a POD preferably attempting something on the heavy side. I'd like to hear it and find out how they got decent results. No takers. I also never said my sound was unbeatable. That was you spouting off crap. I also didn't resort to making funny alterations to people screen names.
Grow the fuck up.