What direction would you like hip hop to go?

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What is the state of hip hop right now?Is it good or bad or is it just that the old school doesnt relate? Is conscious rap too smart for this generation? How does the beats effect the state of hip hop today?Is the south garbage?Is New York garbage?Will the West (Cali) rise again? You know me always starting something.What you think?
 
oldschool cat's as myself will never blemish or fade out. We will keep on striving and set forth to bring that early 90's feel bk into rap & hip hop. Bk in the early 90's rap nor hip hop was about punchlines or multies it was more about how you expressed yourself in your ryhmes and how you told your story sorta like poetry. Not all shit i'm hearing now day's is poetry it's more gimmick punchlines or about degrading women. Srry if i offended anyone, but i'm not into this newschool shit for nothing. There is a few cats who try to do spoken word, but they will never come close to the cats who created it.
The westcoast has changed alot the bay has started this whole new hyphey style that really seems like a generic twist of downsouth and the west mixed together i.m.o. I just think the west is best sticking to their gangsta style that was created there by. many early artists. I have more to say, but i'll type more in later.

Early 90's= Gangsterism & poetry title of my new c.d.

I can't say alot about the eastcaost b.c. i know thats where hip hop started, but i can say alot about rap b.c. thats what i did.
 
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Every new style that comes out has its place and its fans (along with its haters too). I can dig most of it, even the new stuff like crunk and hyphy. Sometimes you can listen to some feel good music and ride to it in the truck with 12's blasting. The old school 90's west coast/ east coast beef (in combination with the gangs) changed a lot of shit, also took a lot of good artists that had a strong fanbase. No need to mention names, ya'll can dig what I'm sayin'. But I do agree with you Balki somewhat. That time was my favorite period in rap/hip-hop music. I mean, c'mon, you can still bump old 2Pac or Nas tracks and vibe with it in public and not get laughed at. Shits are classic like wearin' Chuck Taylors and everybody appreciates it.

What you have to understand is that rap stays strong by reaching out to more audiences. That's why even old folks know who Snoop Dogg is...and they LIKE him, whether it's because of seeing him on TV or catching a video. IMO you wanna know why crunk and hyphy are becoming so successful right now (if ya'll disagree with me I won't mind it). It's because it's easier to play it in the clubs. Who goes to clubs? Your first target audience of 18 - 35 year olds. You wanna say that it's all turned into being about the dollar, ok I can agree with that. But the new stuff can get people to listen to the old stuff and relate where before they would have just shunned it. IMO the money involved keeps rap from becoming like new age country.
 
When people bump KRS-One in 20 years it'll still make you sit back and listen. You think anyone will even know who Mike Jones is by then? The downsouth style is IMO the disco era in rap. I mean how many handclap snares do you need. I'm so sick of 808's and handclaps. (Still use 808's in moderation though... cause nothin sounds quite like and 8-0-8).

But hopefully Rap stops suckin balls and starts to get real again. As far as the location it comes from. I'm from the east coast but good music speaks for itself no matter where it came from.
 
At the moment, hip hop is about party... Like over here in the Bay Area it's about going dumb and popin pills. No real thinking going on. That's fine, but we need some songs to really make us think.

And this party mode can only last so long. Or are we going to have children grow up and be pill poppers and go to the clubs rather then work...?

I guess it's the trend right now and you have to go with what is working. But, it won't last...

I mean I'm making productions that everyone is making cause that's what's in right now and clients want. But, I hope hip hop does move in a constructive way...
 
It all goes in phases. Eventually something else replaces it, but good music always stays good music and people remember the good music apart from the fad music.
 
I would like mainstream hip hop go back to reality, not stuff like eny mini miny mo or peanut butter, and jelly crap that they play on the radio. I would like to go back to the stuff that brings the listener inside the stories & stuff rappers' tell, not how you pop a rubber band & "i know you see it"... I don't care if someone see's shit or if all the players want to go. Stupid shit in my opinion. There's some ill cats in all sides of the states. I like Chamilionaire's rhymes, and some of paul wall. I'm originally from the west coast, but hate that "I'm bossy" shit... Did they run out of real music they can play or something? but you know what? with all the crap they come out with, it just lets me know, there's even a better chance that any of us can make it HA. Oh yeah, and how rappers' now-a-day sit there and repeat most of their bars twice, and call it a verse.
 
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I would like mainstream hip hop go back to reality, not stuff like eny mini miny mo or peanut butter, and jelly crap that they play on the radio. I would like to go back to the stuff that brings the listener inside the stories & stuff rappers' tell, not how you pop a rubber band & "i know you see it"... I don't care if someone see's shit or if all the players want to go. Stupid shit in my opinion. There's some ill cats in all sides of the states. I like Chamilionaire's rhymes, and some of paul wall. I'm originally from the west coast, but hate that "I'm bossy" shit... Did they run out of real music they can play or something? but you know what? with all the crap they come out with, it just lets me know, there's even a better chance that any of us can make it HA. Oh yeah, and how rappers' now-a-day sit there and repeat most of their bars twice, and call it a verse.
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Yep, well said...
 
it's all a phase, that's how music has always been. Everything has it's time/season. I'm looking forward to the music going back to the inspiring tip and music that involves true emotion, not just flashy words/beats.
 
personally i like the state of hip hop right now..... i mean there are a lot of problems with it but for the most part i like the change thats coming.... its giving a lot of people who otherwise wouldnt have a chance to do much with their lives a chance to make some money the right way....... as far as it being party based now.... i think thats more old school then the gangsta rap that used to controll rap..... rap and mc's started as people ment to get the party hype a master of cermony... they were there to make people dance and thats what a lot of the artist do today..... i.e lil jon........... the big difference is the way we party is a lot different and thats what i would like to see change.... with it is with the west coast hyphy movement, clowning, and that new baltimore dance style...... its turning away from the old strictly gangsta ascept to just having fun with it.................
 
Well heres the way I feel about it.I'm at the age where I can appreciate most of the music out now while appreciating the work of past artists.I think the overall use for music is to entertain.There used to be a balance but now its more about what the mega radio stations have to play for that precious advertising dollar.They do their research.When I was clubbing the simple fast party type songs got the party hype.The fellas like to see the ladies get hype so thats what they played.The competition is so cutthroat that they are scared to take a chance on an unknown because they don't want people to change stations.Same with video channels.The public will determine the direction.It will be determined by the clubs.Conscious rap doesnt get play there unless the beats are knocking and easy to move to.I personally dont really like the gangsta stuff even when I was at that age when it was the most popular.My generation grew up on it.We believed it and started killing each other.The same is happening with some of this dope boy pimping music.It al has negative and positive aspects.If you want to be rich I guess you have to follow trends these day because originality isnt rewarded anymore.
 
I think hip hop's phases are going to be different than any other genre of music. Everything else has already evolved and turned into either pop or rock. This generation of urban music is totally different then other music. Of course hip hop has already evolved since it began, but I believe hip hop is still in the streets deep in it & hidden some where. The shit they play now is not hip hop. It's not even rap. They don't even label some of manni fresh's tracks that are rap, rap, they label them as the club genre. I hate the new shit they play now-a-days. If I could shoot them all, I would... and that's just me being humble.
 
okay, this is my 2-cents, and i know a lot on these forums wont agree, but i write/record christian hiphop. most people's first thoughts on any Christian music is "oh, another song about Jesus". but it's not exactly that way. i mean, you have your "gospel rappers" like Cross Movement, Timothy Brindle, shai linne, or R-Swift (check them out, quality hiphop!). then you have the christian hiphop artists that bring the morals and values from the bible and weave them into the lyrics so you dont necessarily get 'preached' to, but it's undoubtedly still there. for these artists, i recommend Mars Ill, Listener, Quest the Wordsmith - MAN - soooo many more. if there are people that are into possitive vibe or 'thinking' raps... you gotta check these guys out. but i would like to see more of this flowing through "mainstream" avenues. i feel strongly that it will too. arists like Mars Ill, John Reuben, and L.A. Symphony have already been featured on MTV (big whoop, i know, but still...).

anyways, the state of hiphop now is garbage. like someone else said, i cant stand all the hand claps. all the 'krunk' and club beats, krump, hyphy... it's all overrated. it's all recycled. gimme 2Pac, Dre, Snoop, KRS, Nas, WuTang, and artists like those anyday over G-Unit or whatever clique is the fad from the south for the current week.

i'm out... God Bless.

BillyBo @ MySpace!
 
BillyBo said:
okay, this is my 2-cents, and i know a lot on these forums wont agree, but i write/record christian hiphop. most people's first thoughts on any Christian music is "oh, another song about Jesus". but it's not exactly that way. i mean, you have your "gospel rappers" like Cross Movement, Timothy Brindle, shai linne, or R-Swift (check them out, quality hiphop!). then you have the christian hiphop artists that bring the morals and values from the bible and weave them into the lyrics so you dont necessarily get 'preached' to, but it's undoubtedly still there. for these artists, i recommend Mars Ill, Listener, Quest the Wordsmith - MAN - soooo many more. if there are people that are into possitive vibe or 'thinking' raps... you gotta check these guys out. but i would like to see more of this flowing through "mainstream" avenues. i feel strongly that it will too. arists like Mars Ill, John Reuben, and L.A. Symphony have already been featured on MTV (big whoop, i know, but still...).


i'm out... God Bless.

BillyBo @ MySpace!
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I've worked with almost everyone you listed in that paragraph. Shai, Quest, and JRueben I haven't... Everyone else, I have.

I'm not a Christian Hip-Hop artist. I'm a Hip-Hop artist, and I happen to be a Christian. I spit reality music, whether that means street music, or just feel good hip-hop. God is a big part of my life, so that comes out in some of my lyrics.

I don't think anyone here views me as wack, at least to my knowledge. I just spit the realness, no need to place a qualifier on it.
 
I think the artist young buck is a very talented artist... His southern style does not imitate most of the mainstream artists these days that are southern artists. It doesn't go with the 'fad' of up jumping club s-hit's 50 cent, he's overrated by to many. I do however like a few of his tracks on his newer album, but not much of everything else he does. Tony Yayo is also a talented artist.... at times.... artists like Young Joc and of that nature, are not talented at all, at least in my own opinion. 2pac, Dre, snoop etc that you listed are great artists in their time, I still enjoy their music. I also like a FEW of the artists of today, but lemme tell you, they run scarce. Let the fat lady sing & get this fad over with.


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okay, anyways, the state of hiphop now is garbage. like someone else said, i cant stand all the hand claps. all the 'krunk' and club beats, krump, hyphy... it's all overrated. it's all recycled. gimme 2Pac, Dre, Snoop, KRS, Nas, WuTang, and artists like those anyday over G-Unit or whatever clique is the fad from the south for the current week.

i'm out... God Bless.

BillyBo @ MySpace!
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I've worked with almost everyone you listed in that paragraph. Shai, Quest, and JRueben I haven't... Everyone else, I have.

I'm not a Christian Hip-Hop artist. I'm a Hip-Hop artist, and I happen to be a Christian. I spit reality music, whether that means street music, or just feel good hip-hop. God is a big part of my life, so that comes out in some of my lyrics.

I don't think anyone here views me as wack, at least to my knowledge. I just spit the realness, no need to place a qualifier on it.
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heh - i know man. i bought your cd a while back. didnt get the "penny for your thoughts" yet, but i got "Tuesday Mournings". "She Was" with ManChild...... OOOHHEEE!

that's kinda what i mean. you arent a "gospel rapper", and i can easily tell you are a "christian rapper" (or a Chrstian that raps, if you wanna put it that way.) that was kinda my point. it comes out in the lyrics, and i think we need more of that in hiphop.

Bless.
 
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Maybe an objective view point would help.
I never listened to hip hop, save for what came on the radio, when the mood hit me. I like some of it and most i dont, mostly for all the reasons you guys stated. I look at the "current state" of hip hop like '80s metal.

All about bling and benjamins.

This too shall pass.
 
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heh - i know man. i bought your cd a while back. didnt get the "penny for your thoughts" yet, but i got "Tuesday Mournings". "She Was" with ManChild...... OOOHHEEE!

that's kinda what i mean. you arent a "gospel rapper", and i can easily tell you are a "christian rapper" (or a Chrstian that raps, if you wanna put it that way.) that was kinda my point. it comes out in the lyrics, and i think we need more of that in hiphop.

Bless.
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Word up. Thanks for the support, fam. I appreciate you copping the album. Trust, "Penny..." is on another level, and you'll likely love it.

But yeah, you're right. I'm not a Gospell rapper at all. It's not my thing to preach to people. Just not my steez. I'm just a real dude, with real lyrics.
 
a significant part of Hip Hop is about business instead of art.

what can you do to help you say?

Call the FCC every time you hear any Hip-Hop song with offensive (i.e. Adult themed) lyrics playing on black radio. Until local urban radio stations get fined for playing this type of music, record companies will continue to drive the business.

let underground artist be underground artists. if you want to talk about riding dirty or being on that kryptonite do so knowing you won't get radio spins. if you are innovative you will get heard without radio. if you are garbage, no amount of bling and hoes will get you on.

That's the way if was when i was bumpin' Just Ice, CMW [MC Eigt], and NWA.

The antithesis to my argument was 2LiveCrew. they couldn't rap and their beats sucked. its just that they were talking dirty before everyone else.
 
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