rnb259
New member
I was goin to purchase one and was wondering what you guy's had to say about it?!
Farview
Well-known member
Pros: portable, everything you need in one package. No compatability problems. Almost never crashes.
Cons: Preamps and converters aren't great and you can't bypass the preamps. Hard drive gets fragmented and the only fix is to back everything off (takes forever) and format the drive. Costs more than a computer rig (assuming you have a suitable computer) and the computer will give you more tracks, more compatability, better interface, etc...
Cons: Preamps and converters aren't great and you can't bypass the preamps. Hard drive gets fragmented and the only fix is to back everything off (takes forever) and format the drive. Costs more than a computer rig (assuming you have a suitable computer) and the computer will give you more tracks, more compatability, better interface, etc...
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mattkw80
New member
JUST DO IT.
You wont look back.
I have no pro's or con's for you.
JUST GET IT.
You wont look back.
I have no pro's or con's for you.
JUST GET IT.
rnb259
New member
matt i read all your post's on your roland!
you alone are the sole reason im even asking the question, but can you give me a sample of what you can get out of the program, what plugins do u use, what do i need to get without question?! these are the questions that are bugging me on whether or not to purchase this end all be all of equipment recorders and i gotta know!
you alone are the sole reason im even asking the question, but can you give me a sample of what you can get out of the program, what plugins do u use, what do i need to get without question?! these are the questions that are bugging me on whether or not to purchase this end all be all of equipment recorders and i gotta know!
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mattkw80
New member
Okay, I'll try to give you a good answer on this :
Con :
I did have a bad hard drive to start. $60 40Gb, easy to replace, not a big deal, happens to harddrives allot. My VS2000 screws up, when I screw up. Every other time I shut it off wrong, it is screwed. (So you just have to be careful, and backup more than you would like). Another Con, it's not quite as fast to load plug-ins as a PC, and possible not as versatile overall as a PC.
Plug-in's are expensive. ($185 to $400) roughly.
Pro's :
I went from boombox, to 4-track cassette, to 8-track cassette, to 16-track reel to reel, to 2 channel computer (M-Audio Pre-amp). This is by FAR the best, the easiest, and the most satisfying.
It sounds the best. It's easy to use once you read the manual 3 times, and watch the "Turbo Start" DVD that somebody from the USA was very generous in sending me.
It's got a great drum machine, more effects than you can handle, 9 inputs (their is a digitital input). Phantom power, Harmony feature, Mastering Tool Kit, Tap Markers, Auto Punch, Keyboard/Mouse/VGA option.
So many great features.
So: Here's a typical recording session for me :
I have my song a laid out, and a rough Idea how it should sound.
Plug my x3 mics in at once and mic my drums.
(If I got other players at this time that can dead nail their timing, I now have the option of letting them plug in and also record).
Record my drums.
Record my rythm guitar.
Record my bass.
Record more guitars.
Record lead guitar.
Record vocal.
Add some other percussion. (Bury a cowbell, or shaker egg in the mix).
Record Misc.
That's roughly 8 tracks, with 10 more for you to play with !
(Thats right, 18 tracks you can record to, with 16 virtual tracks for each).
Now you can go through and easily switch the built in compression on for each track you want to, and set it.
Add EQ to each track as you see fit.
It's got the RSS (Roland sound stage) panning for 360 degree panning.
Mix it all up, bounce it down to stereotracks.
Run the mastering tool kit over your stereotracks, and burn your final product.
SO easy, so many features.
I don't even know what else to tell you about it.
Feel free to ask as many questions as you like. I'll do my best to answer them.
When I first started looking around, I was choosing this between a Yamaha 16-track, and keeping the Br1600. I really did my homework on the features comparison).
(If your on a budget, the BR1600 is also a very nice machine).
Con :
I did have a bad hard drive to start. $60 40Gb, easy to replace, not a big deal, happens to harddrives allot. My VS2000 screws up, when I screw up. Every other time I shut it off wrong, it is screwed. (So you just have to be careful, and backup more than you would like). Another Con, it's not quite as fast to load plug-ins as a PC, and possible not as versatile overall as a PC.
Plug-in's are expensive. ($185 to $400) roughly.
Pro's :
I went from boombox, to 4-track cassette, to 8-track cassette, to 16-track reel to reel, to 2 channel computer (M-Audio Pre-amp). This is by FAR the best, the easiest, and the most satisfying.
It sounds the best. It's easy to use once you read the manual 3 times, and watch the "Turbo Start" DVD that somebody from the USA was very generous in sending me.
It's got a great drum machine, more effects than you can handle, 9 inputs (their is a digitital input). Phantom power, Harmony feature, Mastering Tool Kit, Tap Markers, Auto Punch, Keyboard/Mouse/VGA option.
So many great features.
So: Here's a typical recording session for me :
I have my song a laid out, and a rough Idea how it should sound.
Plug my x3 mics in at once and mic my drums.
(If I got other players at this time that can dead nail their timing, I now have the option of letting them plug in and also record).
Record my drums.
Record my rythm guitar.
Record my bass.
Record more guitars.
Record lead guitar.
Record vocal.
Add some other percussion. (Bury a cowbell, or shaker egg in the mix).
Record Misc.
That's roughly 8 tracks, with 10 more for you to play with !
(Thats right, 18 tracks you can record to, with 16 virtual tracks for each).
Now you can go through and easily switch the built in compression on for each track you want to, and set it.
Add EQ to each track as you see fit.
It's got the RSS (Roland sound stage) panning for 360 degree panning.
Mix it all up, bounce it down to stereotracks.
Run the mastering tool kit over your stereotracks, and burn your final product.
SO easy, so many features.
I don't even know what else to tell you about it.
Feel free to ask as many questions as you like. I'll do my best to answer them.
When I first started looking around, I was choosing this between a Yamaha 16-track, and keeping the Br1600. I really did my homework on the features comparison).
(If your on a budget, the BR1600 is also a very nice machine).
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mattkw80
New member
By the way...
You asked What plug in's I use ?
Mostly the free one's that come with it.
The reverb's, the guitar modeling, etc.
Sometimes I use the Snare and Kick EQ settings.
Just started using the Mic Modeller to make my sm57 sound like a $2500 mic.
(Don't know how good it really does modelling, but it sounds great to me).
I do have the VS8F3 add on, but I have'nt used it for anything more than to show the machine off to friends. (Everybody gets a kick out of the pitch shifting on the vocal channel strip).
Just do your homework, do the footwork. Ask every music store in your city what you should buy.
You may even be able to rent one of these for a week, and really give it a test drive.
(In Windsor, Ontario.... (an hour from my house) I could have rented one for a week for about $70).
You asked What plug in's I use ?
Mostly the free one's that come with it.
The reverb's, the guitar modeling, etc.
Sometimes I use the Snare and Kick EQ settings.
Just started using the Mic Modeller to make my sm57 sound like a $2500 mic.
(Don't know how good it really does modelling, but it sounds great to me).
I do have the VS8F3 add on, but I have'nt used it for anything more than to show the machine off to friends. (Everybody gets a kick out of the pitch shifting on the vocal channel strip).
Just do your homework, do the footwork. Ask every music store in your city what you should buy.
You may even be able to rent one of these for a week, and really give it a test drive.
(In Windsor, Ontario.... (an hour from my house) I could have rented one for a week for about $70).
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PHILANDDON
New member
I own the VS-2000. I previously owned the Boss BR-1600, which was easier to use but could only record in 16bit and had fewer effects.
The VS-2000 can record in 16 and 24bit. If you want, you can bypass the machine's A/D converters and preamps by recording through the two channel S/PDIF input. You can also input and output data via the USB 2.0 port. If you don't want to use any outboard gear, I'm sure you can still get an outstanding sound on the VS-2000; the only shortfall might be that with the gain pots turned up all the way, things start to get a little noisy.
In my opinion the best thing about the VS-2000 are the effects. The onboard effects are very good. But with a VS8F3 card you can run some really amazing stuff. TC-Electronics reverb is just incredible as is the T-Racks Mastering suite. I think the machine is far and away the best SIAB recorder for its price. If you wanted to spend a lot more money, I would look into the Akai DPS24. People who own it worship it. Sometimes I think about getting one, but it would be hard to give up those VS effects.
One more thing, a lot of people run their VS-2000 via a video monitor. I don't. I never got the card for that, and I get by okay with just the LCD screen. Still, you might look into it. I think Roland is still doing the free video monitor giveaway. One last thing, I wish the VS-2000 were a little less noisy; If I'm not careful my mics can pick up the hum of the hard drive.
Still a very cool box. People seem to get intimidated and trade them in quickly. A few months after I bought mine I saw a used one at Sam Ashe in New York City for $1000!!!. Oh well...
The VS-2000 can record in 16 and 24bit. If you want, you can bypass the machine's A/D converters and preamps by recording through the two channel S/PDIF input. You can also input and output data via the USB 2.0 port. If you don't want to use any outboard gear, I'm sure you can still get an outstanding sound on the VS-2000; the only shortfall might be that with the gain pots turned up all the way, things start to get a little noisy.
In my opinion the best thing about the VS-2000 are the effects. The onboard effects are very good. But with a VS8F3 card you can run some really amazing stuff. TC-Electronics reverb is just incredible as is the T-Racks Mastering suite. I think the machine is far and away the best SIAB recorder for its price. If you wanted to spend a lot more money, I would look into the Akai DPS24. People who own it worship it. Sometimes I think about getting one, but it would be hard to give up those VS effects.
One more thing, a lot of people run their VS-2000 via a video monitor. I don't. I never got the card for that, and I get by okay with just the LCD screen. Still, you might look into it. I think Roland is still doing the free video monitor giveaway. One last thing, I wish the VS-2000 were a little less noisy; If I'm not careful my mics can pick up the hum of the hard drive.
Still a very cool box. People seem to get intimidated and trade them in quickly. A few months after I bought mine I saw a used one at Sam Ashe in New York City for $1000!!!. Oh well...
rnb259
New member
Oh yeah, Im gettin One!
And yeah im going for the promotion so i can get the free screen i still love my mouse and keyboard
. Thanks ya'll between ya'll and VSplanet im sure i'll be running my system within the week of my purchase, or at leats two weeks!
thanks, oh and i got another question, i was reading the manual and got a little confused (lol) how exactly do the effects work? how do you send them to a track or better yet how do you bus them to a track? does the vs 2000 have a dedicated knob for this which seperates/tunes the wet and dry levels? and if so how and where?
thanks ya'll
And yeah im going for the promotion so i can get the free screen i still love my mouse and keyboard
. Thanks ya'll between ya'll and VSplanet im sure i'll be running my system within the week of my purchase, or at leats two weeks!thanks, oh and i got another question, i was reading the manual and got a little confused (lol) how exactly do the effects work? how do you send them to a track or better yet how do you bus them to a track? does the vs 2000 have a dedicated knob for this which seperates/tunes the wet and dry levels? and if so how and where?
thanks ya'll
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mattkw80
New member
Go for it. And if the OS messes up on you, I am #1 at screwing up, and fixing the VS2000 OS, so get a hold of me, and I'll help you.
Effects.... Okay. This was confusing at first.
You can INSERT or LOOP.
INSERT is like putting a stomp box in the way of your signal. Your inserting the effect right onto it. There is very very versatile wet/dry control for each effcct.
LOOP effects are like adding the wet and dry, blending them together, like you would with outboard gear.
And of course, you can easily use outboard gear through the AUX bus.
Does this help?
Anybody else care to help me explain ths?
Effects.... Okay. This was confusing at first.
You can INSERT or LOOP.
INSERT is like putting a stomp box in the way of your signal. Your inserting the effect right onto it. There is very very versatile wet/dry control for each effcct.
LOOP effects are like adding the wet and dry, blending them together, like you would with outboard gear.
And of course, you can easily use outboard gear through the AUX bus.
Does this help?
Anybody else care to help me explain ths?
rnb259 said:And yeah im going for the promotion so i can get the free screen i still love my mouse and keyboard
thanks, oh and i got another question, i was reading the manual and got a little confused (lol) how exactly do the effects work? how do you send them to a track or better yet how do you bus them to a track? does the vs 2000 have a dedicated knob for this which seperates/tunes the wet and dry levels? and if so how and where?
thanks ya'll
Louddog
Member
If you can afford to, you might step up to the VS2400, 24 tracks and MOTORIZED faders!
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mattkw80
New member
Louddog said:
Damn Louddog, throwing his money around.
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MK-Ultra
New member
Well,
I bought one in September. I also own an 880-EX. The difference between them is like the difference between the Enterprise A and the Enterprise D.
Being in Europe, I didn't have the opportunity of a free monitor, so I have to use the LCD screen (which my father in law calls the Maüs Kino) until I have the dineri for the add-ons.
There is no SCSI port, but this is mitigated by the USB interface capability, I guess;
The 24 bit mode only gives you 12 tracks;
Some of the plug-ins are expensive (I don't know what they cost for computer-based recording); also, some, like the T-Racks module, is buggy and not ready for prime-time, yet. I think Soundstage hasn't been released for the Roland, either.
Still, the potential is great, but you have to pay to bring this thing up to it's full operating potential.
I intend to get another VSF-2; that's 322 Euros +;
I intend to get a VSF-3; that's 369 Euros +;
Monitor interface: 250 Euros +;
Monitor: anywhere from 200 Euros ++;
That doesn't even include the 3rd party plugins. So, having already paid 2000 Euros for the thing, I will have to pay over 1000 Euros more to have the machine operating at its potential.
I may as well have saved for a bit longer and got the 2400CD.
But, all this being the case, I am satisfied with my purchase. So far. I want to switch out the HDD, but don't know how to do it, and I don't want to void my warranty. So far, I've experienced a couple of operating glitches due to HDD anomalous behaviour.
Cheers.
I bought one in September. I also own an 880-EX. The difference between them is like the difference between the Enterprise A and the Enterprise D.
Being in Europe, I didn't have the opportunity of a free monitor, so I have to use the LCD screen (which my father in law calls the Maüs Kino) until I have the dineri for the add-ons.
There is no SCSI port, but this is mitigated by the USB interface capability, I guess;
The 24 bit mode only gives you 12 tracks;
Some of the plug-ins are expensive (I don't know what they cost for computer-based recording); also, some, like the T-Racks module, is buggy and not ready for prime-time, yet. I think Soundstage hasn't been released for the Roland, either.
Still, the potential is great, but you have to pay to bring this thing up to it's full operating potential.
I intend to get another VSF-2; that's 322 Euros +;
I intend to get a VSF-3; that's 369 Euros +;
Monitor interface: 250 Euros +;
Monitor: anywhere from 200 Euros ++;
That doesn't even include the 3rd party plugins. So, having already paid 2000 Euros for the thing, I will have to pay over 1000 Euros more to have the machine operating at its potential.
I may as well have saved for a bit longer and got the 2400CD.
But, all this being the case, I am satisfied with my purchase. So far. I want to switch out the HDD, but don't know how to do it, and I don't want to void my warranty. So far, I've experienced a couple of operating glitches due to HDD anomalous behaviour.
Cheers.
jeff5xo
New member
I'm not trying to cross post, but this was recorded with my VS-2000. It's not done yet, but you can get an idea.
http://www.nowhereradio.com/5x0/singles
http://www.nowhereradio.com/5x0/singles
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Calwood
New member
Hey Jeff,..really nice home recording there. Great job!
take 'er easy,...
Calwood
take 'er easy,...
Calwood
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mattkw80
New member
Wow !
Very inspiring.
Excellent job.
Very inspiring.
Excellent job.
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mattkw80
New member
Can you give us a run down on how that was recorded.... ?
rnb259
New member
That was sweet!!!!
man, im definitley gonna love this thing!
man, im definitley gonna love this thing!
jeff5xo
New member
First off, thanks guys. Comments are MUCH appreciated. You wouldn't believe how hard I've worked on doing research for recording drums!!!!! Anyway, as far as the VS-2000 goes, it is an amazing machine. That recording was using all of the pre-amps (except for the bass drum), and all of the effects, and compressor on the VS-2000. I'm not sure what you want to know about the recording, but if you ask specific questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them.
I've had the VS 2000 for about a year now. I upgraded from a Korg D12. What an upgrade. Everyone seems to trash the VS 2000's preamps. I don't get why. Granted there no Great River, or Avalon, but the preamps ARE usable. The ONLY gripe I have is that if you use a outboard pre, it still runs through the VS-2000 preamps, unless you go digital in. (that's the ONLY way to bypass the preamps) Still, the preamps are adequate. I don't really use any of the mic modelers or the harmonizer, but boy the 3d RSS pan is awesome. Oh, I do have one other gripe..................be VERY careful with the transport buttons! My play button broke, and my stop button is getting ready to break. Roland will fix it for free, (I have an authorized repair shop right up the street from my house) problem is I'm recording two albums right now, and I just can't part with the thing for a day! Anyway, all in all, this machine is more than worth the money!
I'll answer anything you want about the recording, but ask me specific questions. Thanks fellas!
I've had the VS 2000 for about a year now. I upgraded from a Korg D12. What an upgrade. Everyone seems to trash the VS 2000's preamps. I don't get why. Granted there no Great River, or Avalon, but the preamps ARE usable. The ONLY gripe I have is that if you use a outboard pre, it still runs through the VS-2000 preamps, unless you go digital in. (that's the ONLY way to bypass the preamps) Still, the preamps are adequate. I don't really use any of the mic modelers or the harmonizer, but boy the 3d RSS pan is awesome. Oh, I do have one other gripe..................be VERY careful with the transport buttons! My play button broke, and my stop button is getting ready to break. Roland will fix it for free, (I have an authorized repair shop right up the street from my house) problem is I'm recording two albums right now, and I just can't part with the thing for a day! Anyway, all in all, this machine is more than worth the money!
I'll answer anything you want about the recording, but ask me specific questions. Thanks fellas!
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sutoman
New member
Nice recording. Why didn't you use the on board preamps for the bass drum?
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mattkw80
New member
Hey MK-Ultra
Email me at mattkw80@mnsi.net
and I'll try to help you put a new hard drive in.
Email me at mattkw80@mnsi.net
and I'll try to help you put a new hard drive in.
MK-Ultra said:Well,
I bought one in September. I also own an 880-EX. The difference between them is like the difference between the Enterprise A and the Enterprise D.
Being in Europe, I didn't have the opportunity of a free monitor, so I have to use the LCD screen (which my father in law calls the Maüs Kino) until I have the dineri for the add-ons.
There is no SCSI port, but this is mitigated by the USB interface capability, I guess;
The 24 bit mode only gives you 12 tracks;
Some of the plug-ins are expensive (I don't know what they cost for computer-based recording); also, some, like the T-Racks module, is buggy and not ready for prime-time, yet. I think Soundstage hasn't been released for the Roland, either.
Still, the potential is great, but you have to pay to bring this thing up to it's full operating potential.
I intend to get another VSF-2; that's 322 Euros +;
I intend to get a VSF-3; that's 369 Euros +;
Monitor interface: 250 Euros +;
Monitor: anywhere from 200 Euros ++;
That doesn't even include the 3rd party plugins. So, having already paid 2000 Euros for the thing, I will have to pay over 1000 Euros more to have the machine operating at its potential.
I may as well have saved for a bit longer and got the 2400CD.
But, all this being the case, I am satisfied with my purchase. So far. I want to switch out the HDD, but don't know how to do it, and I don't want to void my warranty. So far, I've experienced a couple of operating glitches due to HDD anomalous behaviour.
Cheers.
