Warning: Lots of pedals! Mysteriously Lost All Signal!

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Warning: Lots of pedals! Mysteriously Lost All Signal AFTER UPRGRADING A FEW PEDALS for PEDALS

Background:

I recently wanted to up my pedalboard because I grew tired of some pedals. With some 'upgrades' in mind I mainly did some one-for-one switcheroos, like a Boss Gigadelay instead of my old DD-5, for example. All of sudden I lost ALL signal when I did this. Everything was plugged in well (all my wires are those George Lynch do them yourselfers which are great). Wierd how that happened! Thought I would show you guys some detailed slides to help answer what had caused this?

Attached are three PowerPoint slides. Here are some descriptions of the slides:

1.)The first shows my old setup which worked great, but I replaced and added some pedals. Thought it wasn't anything too major. Guess I was wrong. Slide1.webp

2.)After replacing the pedals, I lost all signal and got DEAD AIR only when I turned on my Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor. After unplugging some stuff and directly testing the connections and pedals to my amp, I isolated the problem to signal loss in the effects loop of the NS-2. The problem went away when I moved my WOBO Buffer/Booster to the start of this NS-2 effects loop. (See slide) Slide2.webp

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Continued -Slide 3

3.) This is what I think the new setup should look like. Mainly I would like to know everyone's input, particularly on the MXR Dynacomp placement and also how and if it might relate to the Wobo Buffer/Booster. Some advice would really help before I dive into pedalboard hell, again!

Slide3.webp

Finally, what gives with the sudden death in my effect's loop? Did those replacement pedals in Slide 2 really suck up that much more signal then the old, very similar ones? What do you guys think? And what about that Dynacomp, does it belong next to the Buffer, a pedal that used to work fine right before my amp?

Thanks for your help!
 
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You could maybe put some kind of preamp or signal booster in front of all of it...
 
I ran into having an dedicated power supply for my boss dd-20. I draws some current. I sure this will be a problem for you because of all the effects you are using.


As far as the lost signal.... who knows?
 
cobradenim,

I find that setup interesting, but could not quite tell from the diagram.....

are you going guitar --> cable --> amp or amp ---> guitar ---> cable ?

I found the signal chain a little confuding despite the hi-res image.
 
mattkw80 said:
cobradenim,

I find that setup interesting, but could not quite tell from the diagram.....

are you going guitar --> cable --> amp or amp ---> guitar ---> cable ?

I found the signal chain a little confuding despite the hi-res image.
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It doesn't matter. I tried it both ways and it still works!!!

But seriously, That's alot of pedals. He should just get a Line 6 pods or similar and he could have one board and program all the patches for different effects without signal loss. I think one to three pedals is enough but to each his own. I'm a simple man.
 
cobradenim said:
It doesn't matter. I tried it both ways and it still works!!!

But seriously, That's alot of pedals. He should just get a Line 6 pods or similar and he could have one board and program all the patches for different effects without signal loss. I think one to three pedals is enough but to each his own. I'm a simple man.
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I could respect that. Your diagram beats mine! Incidentally, the guitar looks like my Explorer :)
 
My vote is a loose connection somewhere, especially since the old setup worked. Or maybe the settings on your noise suppressor got nudged.
 
legionserial said:
You could maybe put some kind of preamp or signal booster in front of all of it...
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Without question. The best place for it would be in the guitar. Bartolini makes a very nice one for not too much money (I don't recall exactly, but I think it retails for about $50 - though it's a special order so it will take quite a while to get it). The part number is AGB. Or you could get the MPB1-918 (about double the price) which can be used as an 18 volt system (which is a very good thing in that it doubles the headroom on the system). The MPB1-918 (which is not a special order - or at least Allparts carries them on a regular basis) is intended as a dual buffer for both magnetics and piezos, but if you don't have piezos you can just not use that half of the unit.


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