Warming Digital Tracks - Most Effective?

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i wasn't advocating 192khz just saying that it has the ability just in case he wants too or an outside project is at 192khz...doesn't the lynx sound better anyway?? i dunno i'm just asking...for some reason that was my assumption
 
Teacher said:
even the herald radar 24 or Cranesong spider/hedd, benchmark and mytek stuff? damn your making me feel like charging another 500 to my credit card :D
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I haven't tried another clock on my Radar but I wouldn't mind experimenting. I've never heard any other users claim it was needed or yielded a big improvement.
 
TexRoadkill said:
I haven't tried another clock on my Radar but I wouldn't mind experimenting. I've never heard any other users claim it was needed or yielded a big improvement.
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I have a radar II I use for location recording, always use it with an external clock, even tough the Radar's own clock is better than most generic clocks.

One thing I have forgotten to mention thusfar, but is never the less a key advantage of (and reason for using) an external clock is that it allows you to present an accurate clock signal to multiple sources. Over here, for example I use a SSG192 in the control room as a master clock, which feeds four pieces of equipment and two clock distribution amplifiers, one for additional gear in the control room, the other goes to the machine room where it feeds A/D and D/A converters and all I/O's. This way every piece of gear recieves the same clock signal, at the same time. Crucial for good sound.

A number of years ago we did an experiment with analyzing clock signal through a chain (which is the way everyone does it without an external clock source). Very interesting indeed. The thing was set up so we could see the pulse on the scopes, and the signal was also recorded and transferred into a slowed-down, audible version. Daisy-chained through one piece of gear there was already a difference in the scope signals between the clock outputs of #1 and #2. By #4 there was NO visual similarity between #1 and #4. When listening to the signals, well, the best way to describe it is that if it had been a human being it would have been one having a severe heart attack, if it had been percussion it would have been a drunken Senegalese player. Obviously this has severe repercussions on audio quality.

In summary, if you think of reasons for using external clock, think further than just your core recorder, it effects all digital gear you use.
 
Does this clock stuff work for stand alone recording stations as well? I use a Roland 2480, and if I could give it a big upgrade for the price of an external clock, I would. Would I also need to buy external A/D converters, or would the existing A/D converters benefit as well?

Finally, I have many songs that are in the mixing phase right now. They've already been tracked with the Roland 2480 clock, so I guess the "damage" has already been done there. Would those tracks benefit in any way if I used a good external clock for mixing even though they were tracked with the old clock?
 
The answer would very likely be a yes all round.
If I were you I would borrow a clock from a local retailer / studio or something like that, hook it up and listen.
 
sjoko2 said:
I have a radar II I use for location recording, always use it with an external clock, even tough the Radar's own clock is better than most generic clocks.
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That's a little different though. I'm not sure if they changed the clock on the Project series or not.
 
sjoko2 said:
The answer would very likely be a yes all round.
If I were you I would borrow a clock from a local retailer / studio or something like that, hook it up and listen.
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Well, Wilmington Delaware isn't exactly the music recording capital of the world. :) The "local studios" are pretty much me and guys like me, and the "local retailer" is the internet for anything more exotic than an SM57. Still, I am quite currious at the idea of a $500 sound upgrade. I just might have to get one....
 
TexRoadkill said:
That's a little different though. I'm not sure if they changed the clock on the Project series or not.
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I have no idea, but it seems unlikely
 
Chibi Nappa said:
Does this clock stuff work for stand alone recording stations as well? I use a Roland 2480, and if I could give it a big upgrade for the price of an external clock, I would. Would I also need to buy external A/D converters, or would the existing A/D converters benefit as well?

Finally, I have many songs that are in the mixing phase right now. They've already been tracked with the Roland 2480 clock, so I guess the "damage" has already been done there. Would those tracks benefit in any way if I used a good external clock for mixing even though they were tracked with the old clock?
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Do you reckon the clock in the 2480 is audibly in need of upgrade?
 
moley said:
Do you reckon the clock in the 2480 is audibly in need of upgrade?
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Well, I'm quite happy with the sound I am getting right now, but I'm pretty serious about making my recordings, and if a great clock makes things better, I want to see what I might be missing.
 
Chibi Nappa said:
Well, I'm quite happy with the sound I am getting right now, but I'm pretty serious about making my recordings, and if a great clock makes things better, I want to see what I might be missing.
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I've got a VS2480 too, and I'm pretty darn happy with the sound too.

But, surely, before you go buying expensive clocks, you wanna be sure that the clock in the 2480 actually represents a significant weak link?

I don't really know anything about the quality of clocks, and I don't know how good the clock in the 2480 is - maybe it's a really good one, maybe it's not...
 
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