vocals mixing help

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ok i have recorded vocals for a metal song.
lets say that the other instruments are PERFECT mixed.
what are you doing to mix vocals.
what effects you use and how?
what are you adding in mastering?
how loud must be the vocals?
how to get vocals sounding over distortion and be in good level in clean parts?

please answer to all these questions, don't say practice or whatever shit.
 
EleosFever said:
please answer to all these questions, don't say practice or whatever shit.
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Nice of you to ask the most vague question and then tell people how not to answer. The questions you ask are ridiculously vague.

what are you doing to mix vocals.
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How do you expect people to answer this. You play with the volume, panning, EQ until it sounds the way YOU want it to sound. DId you really expect to get a specific answer to this????

what effects you use and how?
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Um....it depends on what you want for the song you're mixing.

what are you adding in mastering?
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Mixing and mastering are 2 different thins. There's nothing you can do in mastering that will only affect the vocals and nothing else.

how loud must be the vocals?
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Are you seriously expecting to get an answer that will help you here??? The vocals need to be as loud as you want them. How else can that be answered??? You want a number??? OK....23.

how to get vocals sounding over distortion and be in good level in clean parts?
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OK, that's ALMOST an answerable question. If you're having trouble balancing vocal level with loud and soft parts of the music, then you could use your volume fader on the vocals to bring them up and down, or you can automate the vocal level. There are other options, like compression, etc....

the other instruments are PERFECT mixed.
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HAHAHA! Judging by your post, I highly doubt that's the case.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you ask about 10 questions that have no definite answer, then you tell people that they BETTER answer ALL your questions, while telling us how NOT to answer. It's plain stupidity.:eek:
 
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I see a flood of positive rep points in Rami's future...

please answer to all these questions, don't say practice or whatever shit.
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Okay - Learn to listen and learn your tools.

Oh - And don't be absolutely ridiculous.
 
Oh - And don't be absolutely ridiculous.
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hahaha this is an alias, so i don't care what you think for me
you dont know who i am :cool: thats the cool thing about internet
 
Everyones an a hole... Blah... Blahblah.... Practice, there is nothng else to tell you frm your questions. Put a clip of your mix, and be more specific. I usally put a notch in the guitar around 2000hz or so to let the vocals through. Usally use cmpression, ep, and a bit of reverb. But it always depends.
 
EleosFever said:
lets say that the other instruments are PERFECT mixed.
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You can't say this unless/until the vocals are there. OK, maybe the instruments are mixed perfectly for an instrumental. But you can't go by that any more than you can say that a solo track sounds perfect soloed, only to find out that it sounds like shit in the mix.
EleosFever said:
what are you doing to mix vocals.
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Nothing. I'm not mixing the vocals, you are. This is not a frivolous answer; only you can listen to what you have and decide what needs to be done to get it where you want it.
EleosFever said:
what effects you use and how?
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None. I'm not mixing the vocals, you are. This is not a frivolous answer; only you can listen to what you have and decide what needs to be done to get it where you want it.
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What are you adding in mastering?
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Only what's necessary to prep the mix for it's public release.
EleosFever said:
how loud must be the vocals?
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As loud as you desire them to be.
EleosFever said:
how to get vocals sounding over distortion and be in good level in clean parts?
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Don't be afraid to automate the levels. This is true of *all* tracks, BTW, not just the vocals.

Elos, there are no specific correct answers to your questions. You gotta know what you want, know what technique or gear will get you there, and have the ears to tell the difference. And shit.

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Rami's post rules.

But I suspect the OP didn't mean it all to come across as demanding and severe as it did.

Read his questions out loud with an intense German accent. See what I mean?
 
EleosFever said:
hahaha this is an alias, so i don't care what you think for me
you dont know who i am :cool: thats the cool thing about internet
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Whoah, I hadn't noticed! :eek:

As an aside, I've recently decided that the single greatest problem with the internet is that there's no way to break someone's nose over it, no matter how richly they deserve it. Just think how much better Youtube comments would be if there were actual real-world consequences! :p

We may not "know who you are," Eleos, but you still just asked an absolutely absurdly vague question. Since you evidently want to learn how to mix vocals, maybe if you clarified a little bit what exactly you want to know, and what problems you're having, then we could give you some actual answers. Otherwise, you can keep prattling about how we "don't know you" and we can keep making jokes at your expense, and you'll be no better off than when you started this thread. ;)
 
Practice or, you know, whatever.

hahaha this is an alias,
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Hmmm, willfully neglecting the Terms of Service and then advertising about it. Sounds like grounds for banishment. Where are the Mods when you need one... :p

Eh, I'll let him go...
 
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As rediculously vague as his question may be, it's also repetitive.

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=288086

Either he didn't like our answers then (mine included--I'm hurt!) or he didn't bother to try anything because what he's really looking for is the magic "make-my-vocals-sound-great-with-distorted-guitars-without-having-to-adjust-anything-because-my-mix-is-perfect" plug-in.
 
WhiteStrat said:
As rediculously vague as his question may be, it's also repetitive.

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=288086

Either he didn't like our answers then (mine included--I'm hurt!) or he didn't bother to try anything because what he's really looking for is the magic "make-my-vocals-sound-great-with-distorted-guitars-without-having-to-adjust-anything-because-my-mix-is-perfect" plug-in.
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Oh, i've got one of those. Swear to god, a chorus makes vocals sit PERFECTLY against distorted guitars, every time. Set the speed to around 200hz, the depth about 20 or so, and the mix to 50%. Then, run the whole thing through a hall 'verb with predelay around 120ms, early reflections back a bit, maybe -8dB, decay around 4 seconds, and set to 70% wet. Works like a charm, every time. Crazy, I know, right? :)
 
XLR said:
I'm guessing you didn't read Rami's post because most of what you said simply reworded it.
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You're estimating that I said the same thing as Rami, but in different terms, so I didn't read his post.

G.
 
EleosFever said:
hahaha this is an alias, so i don't care what you think for me
you dont know who i am :cool: thats the cool thing about internet
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Oh, SNAP!!! And all this time I thought you were some dude named Eleos Fever...

Boasting about anonymity... That seems disconcerting somehow...
 
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