Vocal Editing and such

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I'm not sure where the whole thing that music theory is a heavy bummer came from. I never found it like that, I found it fascinating. It explained what I was hearing.

Probably the key thing you're looking for is learning how to sing, hear and recognize intervals. That's a good thing to know. A long time ago I figured out a song for each interval and that's common way to do it.

There's something they don't tell you and that is that the way music is written on paper was based on piano, not guitar. Guitarists got screwed on that one. If you play guitar, it's usually a real benefit to learn a little keyboard. At least the layout of the notes and some basic chords. You can see the chords very easily on keyboard compared to guitar.
 
Definitely agree with Dinty. Piano is by far the easiest instrument to see patterns on. Easy to recognize minor/major chords - intervals, and most importantly what note you're playing without having a perfect ear.

I have a few Yamaha "Keyboard Theory" books, that are awesome. Really they are just music theory books - but I highly recommend them.
 
dintymoore said:
I'm not sure where the whole thing that music theory is a heavy bummer came from.
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It came from the early 70's and the advent of punk. Mainstream rock music sucked in the early 70's because it had become fat, overblown, and a parody of itself. Solos and virtuosity killed the unabashed fun of rock and roll. Thankfully, a relatively small movement of music fans had enough of that shit and blew the whole thing apart. Their contributions changed music forever and made it possible for anyone to rock the fuck out without having to study a bunch of stupid dots on lines.
 
Greg_L said:
It came from the early 70's and the advent of punk. Mainstream rock music sucked in the early 70's because it had become fat, overblown, and a parody of itself. Solos and virtuosity killed the unabashed fun of rock and roll. Thankfully, a relatively small movement of music fans had enough of that shit and blew the whole thing apart. Their contributions changed music forever and made it possible for anyone to rock the fuck out without having to study a bunch of stupid dots on lines.
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Unfortunately in the '90s and oh-ohs that has become the mantra for lazy-assed morons who want to play and record music without actually having to lean how to play or record music.

The number of morons coming into the studio who insist the are prepared and ready to record, but when the rubber meets the road can't even play a simple I-IV-V properly has gotten depressingly larger as the years go by.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Unfortunately in the '90s and oh-ohs that has become the mantra for lazy-assed morons who want to play and record music without actually having to lean how to play or record music.

The number of morons coming into the studio who insist the are prepared and ready to record, but when the rubber meets the road can't even play a simple I-IV-V properly has gotten depressingly larger as the years go by.

G.
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That may be true in some cases, but so what? Don't confuse playing with theory. They're not the same.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Unfortunately in the '90s and oh-ohs that has become the mantra for lazy-assed morons who want to play and record music without actually having to lean how to play or record music.

The number of morons coming into the studio who insist the are prepared and ready to record, but when the rubber meets the road can't even play a simple I-IV-V properly has gotten depressingly larger as the years go by.

G.
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an idiot is an idiot. There are plenty of players out there that are in-the-pocket without knowing squat about theory.
 
IMO in most cases these days, the best results with regards vocal editing can be found by pulling the track fader all the way down until the vocals are inaudible.
 
legionserial said:
IMO in most cases these days, the best results with regards vocal editing can be found by pulling the track fader all the way down until the vocals are inaudible.
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I know this to be true. Especially in the weenie hut emo screamo genre.
 
Greg_L said:
Don't you DARE disagree with Glen! :mad:
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That's the smartest thing you've ever said here :D.

Seriously, though, you were the one that brought up "virtuosity". I was only responding to that comment, and to the fact that so many people these days use the punk revolution of the late '70s and the "anti-virtuosity" POV as an excuse to not bother learning how to even play. And that's not just in "some cases"; as a studio worker, I can tell you that's it's epidemic these days. Probably three out of four acts wanting to come in and record would have never even had the audacity to consider themselves good enough to record twenty-five years ago. And they would have been right.

I just think that in that kind of situation is just plain silly to even argue about "theory"; if one can't play, the circle of fifths is only trivia.


Not that any of this has anything whatsoever to do with the OP's question. He's far more likely asking about the use of chorusing, auto-tuning and other such effects that all the toppop and neoR&B uses these days.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
That's the smartest thing you've ever said here :D.

Seriously, though, you were the one that brought up "virtuosity". I was only responding to that comment, and to the fact that so many people these days use the punk revolution of the late '70s and the "anti-virtuosity" POV as an excuse to not bother learning how to even play. And that's not just in "some cases"; as a studio worker, I can tell you that's it's epidemic these days. Probably three out of four acts wanting to come in and record would have never even had the audacity to consider themselves good enough to record twenty-five years ago. And they would have been right.

I just think that in that kind of situation is just plain silly to even argue about "theory"; if one can't play, the circle of fifths is only trivia.
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Lol. Bands are no worse than they've always been. It's just easier for them to be heard now. Your idea of "knowing how to play" is probably stuck in the 50's. A band not being recordable doesn't mean they can't play, it just means they can't be recorded, yet. The NY Dolls, Ramones, Stooges, and The MC5 were pretty rough around the edges and every day of my life I thank them for blowing apart the stuffy suckass 70's.

Luckily for you there are still plenty of ELP and Styx records you can listen to.
 
not to mention this is home recording... I don't want to make the next big record... I just wanna learn wtf I'm doing and try to make something half-way listenable, and if that means making a few songs that are terrible than so be it. Hell I might not even use my own vocals, my singing might be a train wreck but it definitely couldn't hurt to know why they're a train wreck.
Give me direction and I'll go that way. That's what I'm here for... It's not so critical because fact is, 90% of the people here will probably end up skipping over my songs anyways.
 
Greg_L said:
It came from the early 70's and the advent of punk. Mainstream rock music sucked in the early 70's because it had become fat, overblown, and a parody of itself. Solos and virtuosity killed the unabashed fun of rock and roll. Thankfully, a relatively small movement of music fans had enough of that shit and blew the whole thing apart. Their contributions changed music forever and made it possible for anyone to rock the fuck out without having to study a bunch of stupid dots on lines.
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IMO, 70's rock defined the genre.

Thin Lizzy, Deep Purple, Free, Bad Company, etc. etc.

Fucking unbeatable! Especially thin lizzy ;)
 
gcapel said:
an idiot is an idiot. There are plenty of players out there that are in-the-pocket without knowing squat about theory.
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I'm assuming by "in-the-pocket" you mean popular. Can you name a few?

I have a theory that about 99% of good sounding bands know their music.
 
Greg_L said:
Lol. TL and DP are cool, but Bad Company? :laughings: :laughings: :laughings: :laughings: :laughings:
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Funny you say that. We used to take out a bunch of albums we collected through the winter that we didn't want any longer into the back yard and use them for target practice in the spring. Bad Company's always went first. :D
 
Kingofpain678 said:
I just wanna learn wtf I'm doing and try to make something half-way listenable, ...Hell I might not even use my own vocals, my singing might be a train wreck but it definitely couldn't hurt to know why they're a train wreck.
Give me direction and I'll go that way. That's what I'm here for...
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If you want to record music then learn music theory and then learn how to record and mix. To make a decent sound musical production you need a decent source to start. IMHO
 
The band Duke Ellington had in the 30's with Sonny Greer was killer and really affected the groups that followed. Sonny was a bad mf drummer and played a kit back then that looked like something Nick Mason would have been happy with.

You don't need to know any theory. Stevie Wonder, Ronnie Milsap and Ray Charles prove you don't need to be able to read music.

Knowing theory is like having a map when you're in a big city. Can you get around without a map? Absolutely! Is it easier with a map? :rolleyes:
 
dintymoore said:
You don't need to know any theory. Stevie Wonder, Ronnie Milsap and Ray Charles prove you don't need to be able to read music.

Knowing theory is like having a map when you're in a big city. Can you get around without a map? Absolutely! Is it easier with a map? :rolleyes:
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Are you like saying Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles don't know music theory? If you are that's pretty funny :spank: :laughings:

Theory is much more than having a map, it's knowing the what, when, where, how and why it was created.
 
NYMorningstar said:
If you want to record music then learn music theory and then learn how to record and mix. To make a decent sound musical production you need a decent source to start. IMHO
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SO wait... You're saying that in order to play, record, and mix music I need to learn how to play, record, and mix music?

Oh god no...
 
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