acidrock
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Another update:I'm still getting a buffer mismatch error,but it has no effect on the project at all. 
Damn,that Plate 140 kicks ass!!!
Damn,that Plate 140 kicks ass!!!
Qwerty
New member
OK -
I got the 2nd card in and also installed a fresh XP SP2 install, patched it and blah, blah, blahhed...
Bottom line - TURN OFF HYPERTHREADING if you want to minimise clicks and pops. YMMV. Below is a snippet from an email I sent Cakewalk, RME and Universal Audio.
Ciao,
Q.
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...I am using an Asus P4P800 Deluxe socket 478 mobo with an Intel 3.04GHz CPU and 2Gig RAM which is updated to the most recent v21 BIOS revision. I am using a Lacie Firewire 1394.b PCI card, (Texas Instruments OHCI controller), and the RME FireFace running the most recent BIOS and driver revisions 2.47 and 2.43. I also have two UAD-1 cards running their v4.2 software and driver. I am using Windows XP SP2 with the Firewire 1394.b hotfix and associated SidSpeed=3 registry hack as per the Microsoft website.
If I run a single track in Sonar v5.0.1 and insert a single UAD-1 FX on the track I can use input monitoring with a 48 sample ASIO latency which gives me 1.1 msec + the FW-800 round trip.
The recorded track will play back with this same configuration.
If I add another UAD effect to a track, (same one or a different one, it doesn't matter), then I begin to get clicks and pops in the audio stream. The only way to resolve this completely is to increase the ASIO latency to 512 samples - 5.8msec + FW 800... This seems to be a threshold limit - track or plugin count didn't matter. Below this point snap, crackled and popped -- above this mark did not.
I then turned OFF hyper-threading in the BIOS, (which disabled the multi-processing engine of Sonar)...
Same situation still applied, but with different thresholds. I am stable playing or tracking with input monitoring on multiple tracks with multiple instances of UAD effects with the latency set down to 96 samples - 2.2 msec + FW...
There is obviously something up with HT + the VST adaptor's implementation of the UAD v4.2 plugs...
I got the 2nd card in and also installed a fresh XP SP2 install, patched it and blah, blah, blahhed...
Bottom line - TURN OFF HYPERTHREADING if you want to minimise clicks and pops. YMMV. Below is a snippet from an email I sent Cakewalk, RME and Universal Audio.
Ciao,
Q.
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...I am using an Asus P4P800 Deluxe socket 478 mobo with an Intel 3.04GHz CPU and 2Gig RAM which is updated to the most recent v21 BIOS revision. I am using a Lacie Firewire 1394.b PCI card, (Texas Instruments OHCI controller), and the RME FireFace running the most recent BIOS and driver revisions 2.47 and 2.43. I also have two UAD-1 cards running their v4.2 software and driver. I am using Windows XP SP2 with the Firewire 1394.b hotfix and associated SidSpeed=3 registry hack as per the Microsoft website.
If I run a single track in Sonar v5.0.1 and insert a single UAD-1 FX on the track I can use input monitoring with a 48 sample ASIO latency which gives me 1.1 msec + the FW-800 round trip.
The recorded track will play back with this same configuration.
If I add another UAD effect to a track, (same one or a different one, it doesn't matter), then I begin to get clicks and pops in the audio stream. The only way to resolve this completely is to increase the ASIO latency to 512 samples - 5.8msec + FW 800... This seems to be a threshold limit - track or plugin count didn't matter. Below this point snap, crackled and popped -- above this mark did not.
I then turned OFF hyper-threading in the BIOS, (which disabled the multi-processing engine of Sonar)...
Same situation still applied, but with different thresholds. I am stable playing or tracking with input monitoring on multiple tracks with multiple instances of UAD effects with the latency set down to 96 samples - 2.2 msec + FW...
There is obviously something up with HT + the VST adaptor's implementation of the UAD v4.2 plugs...
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acidrock
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Q,
what's your opinion of the tape echo?
what's your opinion of the tape echo?
Qwerty
New member
I read the blurb before it came out and went, "Wow, another useless Roland emulation...". I just couldn't justify the expense for the CE-1, (woo-hoo, crap 80's guitar sound, BLECH!), or the Dimension-D, (see above...), so I presumed the RE-201 would be the same story.
BUT............I installed the demo and I have been going off!
I really like the sound of this thing. The self-oscillation trick is cool too! I am no pro so I wouldn't know the sound of a real RE-201 if it bit me on the arse, but I really like the sound of this one. The tape age is cool, the splice is a cool trick and if you automate that intensity or repeats dial you get instant Radiohead-in-a-box circa OK Computer, (a personal fave).
BBBBUUUTTTT!
$USD249 for a freakin' delay!
FARK!
Q.
(My voucher went on the Pultec Pro, Precision Limiter and Plate 140...)
BUT............I installed the demo and I have been going off!
I really like the sound of this thing. The self-oscillation trick is cool too! I am no pro so I wouldn't know the sound of a real RE-201 if it bit me on the arse, but I really like the sound of this one. The tape age is cool, the splice is a cool trick and if you automate that intensity or repeats dial you get instant Radiohead-in-a-box circa OK Computer, (a personal fave).
BBBBUUUTTTT!
$USD249 for a freakin' delay!
FARK!
Q.(My voucher went on the Pultec Pro, Precision Limiter and Plate 140...)
acidrock
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Qwerty said:I read the blurb before it came out and went, "Wow, another useless Roland emulation...". I just couldn't justify the expense for the CE-1, (woo-hoo, crap 80's guitar sound, BLECH!), or the Dimension-D, (see above...), so I presumed the RE-201 would be the same story.
BUT............I installed the demo and I have been going off!
I really like the sound of this thing. The self-oscillation trick is cool too! I am no pro so I wouldn't know the sound of a real RE-201 if it bit me on the arse, but I really like the sound of this one. The tape age is cool, the splice is a cool trick and if you automate that intensity or repeats dial you get instant Radiohead-in-a-box circa OK Computer, (a personal fave).
BBBBUUUTTTT!
$USD249 for a freakin' delay!
FARK!
(My voucher went on the Pultec Pro, Precision Limiter and Plate 140...)
I'm quite the opposite,that CE-1 gave me the warm fuzzies.
I like it better than any chorus I have had.The Space echo is a unique plug,maybe not for everyone though.
I bought the Roland bundle with the flexi Pak so the the hit wasn't so bad,I already had the Studio pak that came with Pultec pro as a special,so my plate is pretty full.I have Ozone so I don't have much use for the Precision plugs,then again I haven't started the demos or I could be faced with another hard decision....
acidrock
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BTW,I have a friend who used to have a Space Echo and he thought the plug in was great.(more warm fuzzies,I know...)
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
And we're all very happy for you.acidrock said:
jmorris
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I had buffer errors after I used the demo's before buying. I had to go to folders and delete those pluggins manualy then all was wellacidrock said:Another update:I'm still getting a buffer mismatch error,but it has no effect on the project at all.
Damn,that Plate 140 kicks ass!!!
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
acidrock
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dachay2tnr said:
Nothing new there,basically they're saying they haven't forgot about Sonar users.
It seems to be mainly a motherboard/hyperthreading problem.It hasn't affected me,but there are others who are in the position of deciding between Sonar and the UAD-1.Cakewalk isn't completely off the hook though,as I am unaware of other audio software experiencing similar issues with the UAD-1.
I'm sure that UA would like to see this fixed,because there seems to be a lot of people holding off on buying a card(s) until this situation is remedied.
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Qwerty
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Cool - I am looking forward to seeing whether or not this makes a difference. I am not getting Err=21 messages either, but can't get below 2.2msec latency with more than one UAD plugin enabled.
Ciao,
Q.
Ciao,
Q.
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
And this is a problem because...??Qwerty said:
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Chris.
New member
I'll chime in.
I use Sonar 3(.1? I think) and when I installed the newer UAD-1 drivers, since DirectX isn't supported anymore, all of my old mixes couldn't find their plugs. GRRRR. So I had to reinstall the older version so I could still work on them.
I tried using the VST versions, but for some reason it gave me latency, so I just dropped it and went back to using DirectX ones. Blah.
I use Sonar 3(.1? I think) and when I installed the newer UAD-1 drivers, since DirectX isn't supported anymore, all of my old mixes couldn't find their plugs. GRRRR. So I had to reinstall the older version so I could still work on them.
I tried using the VST versions, but for some reason it gave me latency, so I just dropped it and went back to using DirectX ones. Blah.
Qwerty
New member
dachay2tnr said:And this is a problem because...??
Because I know it can go lower.
Q.
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured.Qwerty said:Because I know it can go lower.
Personally, I find the lower latency makes my music soooo much better.
Qwerty
New member
Bitch!
The only method to my madness is the fact that I would like to get one configuration and stick with it. At the moment, I need to bump up the latency when mixing and bring it down when tracking. I would like to be able to ignore these production elements and just record -- hence the latency chase...
But yes, ultimately 1.1msec sounds better than 2.2msec...
Q.
The only method to my madness is the fact that I would like to get one configuration and stick with it. At the moment, I need to bump up the latency when mixing and bring it down when tracking. I would like to be able to ignore these production elements and just record -- hence the latency chase...
But yes, ultimately 1.1msec sounds better than 2.2msec...
Q.
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
Well shit, everybody knows that.Qwerty said:
How high do you bump it while mixing?
Qwerty
New member
Depends on the project... I get annoyed when I get any pops or clicks at all when I am trying to listen to the music, so I normally err on the side of caution.
For acoustic + vox simple stuff, I normally get away with that 5.8msec setting I mentioned above. Doing the band stuff with a lot of layered parts and tracks, (60+ tracks with FX), I normally bump it up higher again until it plays cleanly.
So said, the FireFace is a lot snappier in response than the Aardvark Direct Pro 24/96 I was using and I am getting spoiled...
Ciao,
Q.
For acoustic + vox simple stuff, I normally get away with that 5.8msec setting I mentioned above. Doing the band stuff with a lot of layered parts and tracks, (60+ tracks with FX), I normally bump it up higher again until it plays cleanly.
So said, the FireFace is a lot snappier in response than the Aardvark Direct Pro 24/96 I was using and I am getting spoiled...
Ciao,
Q.
acidrock
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I can run at 1.9ms,but I run into a wall real quick,so it's 2.9ms for me.
If I'm not mistaken,latency has no effect on UAD-1 plug count,but recording resolution does?
Anyways,I bumped my buffers up to 128 and I'm not getting a buffer mismatch error anymore,even though it didn't seem to affect anything.So all is fine in acidland,now I'm just waiting for UA to come up with some new plugs for me to try out.
I still haven't activated my Precision plugs demos yet,maybe when I "home master" my next abberation I'll see how they stack up against Ozone.
If I'm not mistaken,latency has no effect on UAD-1 plug count,but recording resolution does?
Anyways,I bumped my buffers up to 128 and I'm not getting a buffer mismatch error anymore,even though it didn't seem to affect anything.So all is fine in acidland,now I'm just waiting for UA to come up with some new plugs for me to try out.
I still haven't activated my Precision plugs demos yet,maybe when I "home master" my next abberation I'll see how they stack up against Ozone.
Qwerty
New member
I think the P-Lim is much cleaner than the Ozone mastering limiter -- particularly on acoustic stuff.
Get your credit card ready.... (...although it seems like the P-MB does not currently work at all with Sonar), (not that I have tried myself...).
Ciao!
Q.
Get your credit card ready.... (...although it seems like the P-MB does not currently work at all with Sonar), (not that I have tried myself...).
Ciao!
Q.