Kramer
Well-known member
Khompewtur said:
I thought that was a given dude.LOL.I dont give a flyin fuck if He's Clive Fuckin davis,he's still a fuckin asshole.
I thought that was a given dude.LOL.I dont give a flyin fuck if He's Clive Fuckin davis,he's still a fuckin asshole.
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ashulman
New member
Super-critic - I personally don't care if you come out with both guns blaring; we want honest opinions here. My problem is that not only do you come off like an ass, but your criticisms have been way off the mark. In particular, you seem to have a problem with everyone's voice, besides your own I suppose. Go ahead, post all you want, but I think in one day I have learned to skip over your posts, as they have yet to show any input I could understand.
You win the prize for the most ironic name on the forum.
You win the prize for the most ironic name on the forum.
Kramer
Well-known member
super_critic said:
If you ARE one of the regular posters here that we all know and get along with that is truly sad.What could drive a person to get a new username and post HARSH abrasive comments to everyone.
I have an idea of who you are and If Im right,thats just sad man....
dafduc
New member
First - let me apologize to bdbdbucksKID for not listening yet. I wanna hear this.
Second - the referral to my thread for a sign of positivity won't show you much - just a reference to Ian's "Learn" thread where SC actually said that he likes it. There's another one I gotta listen to.
My main point - I'm guessing SC might be someone we know AND LIKE. Making quick cogent slams to get us thinking about what we do and don't have. I know he zeroed in on a possible weak spot in MY lyrics. Funny he didn't say anything about my voice.
But we've been kicking around this "how good/bad are we?" question for a few weeks now. And the point, raised over and over again, was that we're all too nice to each other (Oh waiter, I've a bit of a dirty fork...
) to really offer valuable criticism.
So, to help us stay grounded, one of our Dr. Jekylls has produced a Mr. Hyde for us.
Let's say, for a minute, that my song became a hit. Regular play on the Delilah show, 50ish women tossing their panties at crawdad... I gar-on-doubledawg-tee that there would be millions of hands, all across the country, reaching to change the dial whenever they heard the opening strains. Just like I do with Dan Hill.
If Dan Hill asked me what I thought of his song (like he cares), I'd tell him that he really connected with a lot of people with his lyrics, he has a nice voice, text and music fit together well. I would not tell him about how his song makes me GAG, and I will risk a 7-car pile-up just to be listening to anything else as quickly as possible.
Our little hothouse environment here does not prepare us for the kind of drubbing we will take from critics and listeners out there in the real world. SC gives us a little taste of that - a consumer dooesn't have to be polite, or explain why he doesn't like something, he can just say "Eew! This sucks!" and go find some AC/DC or Toad the Wet Sprocket or Dave Matthews or Randy Travis, that he likes.
Think about it - of all the songs on the airwaves, how many are so good that you say "Wow I really like this!"
I'm guessing SC = Chris Harris, Mr. Positivity. Probably not Harvey (though THAT would be funny). Or Fr. Time. In which case, ignore the "and like" comment from earlier.
Daf
Second - the referral to my thread for a sign of positivity won't show you much - just a reference to Ian's "Learn" thread where SC actually said that he likes it. There's another one I gotta listen to.
My main point - I'm guessing SC might be someone we know AND LIKE. Making quick cogent slams to get us thinking about what we do and don't have. I know he zeroed in on a possible weak spot in MY lyrics. Funny he didn't say anything about my voice.
But we've been kicking around this "how good/bad are we?" question for a few weeks now. And the point, raised over and over again, was that we're all too nice to each other (Oh waiter, I've a bit of a dirty fork...
) to really offer valuable criticism.So, to help us stay grounded, one of our Dr. Jekylls has produced a Mr. Hyde for us.
Let's say, for a minute, that my song became a hit. Regular play on the Delilah show, 50ish women tossing their panties at crawdad... I gar-on-doubledawg-tee that there would be millions of hands, all across the country, reaching to change the dial whenever they heard the opening strains. Just like I do with Dan Hill.
If Dan Hill asked me what I thought of his song (like he cares), I'd tell him that he really connected with a lot of people with his lyrics, he has a nice voice, text and music fit together well. I would not tell him about how his song makes me GAG, and I will risk a 7-car pile-up just to be listening to anything else as quickly as possible.
Our little hothouse environment here does not prepare us for the kind of drubbing we will take from critics and listeners out there in the real world. SC gives us a little taste of that - a consumer dooesn't have to be polite, or explain why he doesn't like something, he can just say "Eew! This sucks!" and go find some AC/DC or Toad the Wet Sprocket or Dave Matthews or Randy Travis, that he likes.
Think about it - of all the songs on the airwaves, how many are so good that you say "Wow I really like this!"
I'm guessing SC = Chris Harris, Mr. Positivity. Probably not Harvey (though THAT would be funny). Or Fr. Time. In which case, ignore the "and like" comment from earlier.
Daf
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ashulman
New member
Granted, there is a lot of cozy criticism from people who obviously are very friendly. At first I thought, well I must be missing something, because many people post stuff that's OK and you'd think they cured cancer. But that's what friends do for each other. I have posted quite a bit but I don't really know anybody and nobody knows me so I feel that most of the criticisms I have gotten have been fairly honest, leaning towards encouraging.
The problem is, SC is spewing out some real venom without really backing it up with reasons. "Your voice sucks" OK, why? "Your lyrics blow" Thanks, but any suggestions?
The problem is, SC is spewing out some real venom without really backing it up with reasons. "Your voice sucks" OK, why? "Your lyrics blow" Thanks, but any suggestions?
HevyD47Ca
New member
Critics
lets not forget free speech
dafduc is very wise in his assesment of this poster.
he's got everyone THINKING.
I've noticed that once you get a little known and if you haven't been too nasty, the critiquing starts to loose some of it's edginess.
It's only human nature really.
You have listened to a guy's past stuff and begrudgingly, you got to respect it.
Then his next post was (shall we say, hastily released) and you find it hard to say wait a minute, this aint up to your usual standards.
I'm guessing SC = Chris Harris,
lets not forget free speech
dafduc is very wise in his assesment of this poster.
he's got everyone THINKING.
I've noticed that once you get a little known and if you haven't been too nasty, the critiquing starts to loose some of it's edginess.
It's only human nature really.
You have listened to a guy's past stuff and begrudgingly, you got to respect it.
Then his next post was (shall we say, hastily released) and you find it hard to say wait a minute, this aint up to your usual standards.
I'm guessing SC = Chris Harris,
bdbdbuck
New member
Re: Critics
I'm guessing not a chance! Chris doesn't have a problem speaking his mind without having to resort to using a ficticious user name. I also agree with Ashulman regarding the flames being backed up with suggestions for improvement. Chris would offer constructive criticism. I could be wrong, but I just don't think so.
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HevyD47Ca said:I'm guessing SC = Chris Harris,
I'm guessing not a chance! Chris doesn't have a problem speaking his mind without having to resort to using a ficticious user name. I also agree with Ashulman regarding the flames being backed up with suggestions for improvement. Chris would offer constructive criticism. I could be wrong, but I just don't think so.
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Kramer
Well-known member
Re: Critics
What!?!I dont think there's a chance in hell of that!Chris likes to get credit for the words he posts so it couldnt be him.LMAO! j/k
HevyD47Ca said:
I'm guessing SC = Chris Harris,
What!?!I dont think there's a chance in hell of that!Chris likes to get credit for the words he posts so it couldnt be him.LMAO!
j/k
Khompewtur
*Retired*
hmmm...
is this a veiled implication or just a coincidence?
I can see your point, the speech patterns do match.
is this a veiled implication or just a coincidence?
I can see your point, the speech patterns do match.
WATYF
...happier than you.
Dang... I gotta give you credit for a great reply. Very objective way to look at the situation.dafduc said:My main point - I'm guessing SC might be someone we know AND LIKE. Making quick cogent slams to get us thinking about what we do and don't have. I know he zeroed in on a possible weak spot in MY lyrics. Funny he didn't say anything about my voice.
But we've been kicking around this "how good/bad are we?" question for a few weeks now. And the point, raised over and over again, was that we're all too nice to each other (Oh waiter, I've a bit of a dirty fork...
So, to help us stay grounded, one of our Dr. Jekylls has produced a Mr. Hyde for us.
Let's say, for a minute, that my song became a hit. Regular play on the Delilah show, 50ish women tossing their panties at crawdad... I gar-on-doubledawg-tee that there would be millions of hands, all across the country, reaching to change the dial whenever they heard the opening strains. Just like I do with Dan Hill.
Our little hothouse environment here does not prepare us for the kind of drubbing we will take from critics and listeners out there in the real world. SC gives us a little taste of that - a consumer dooesn't have to be polite, or explain why he doesn't like something, he can just say "Eew! This sucks!" and go find some AC/DC or Toad the Wet Sprocket or Dave Matthews or Randy Travis, that he likes.
Here's another little somethin' to chew on....
super_critic has only been a registered user for one day... and already he's well-known throughout the clinic, and the topic of half the threads on the front page....
...so that gets me to thinkin'... maybe there's so little real criticism around here, that when it does show up, we get all freaked out, as if someone just called our mother a whore. I mean... we come here, to the clinic, seeking the most objective, give-it-to-me-straight opinions that we can get. But maybe the "shock and awe" reaction that SC is getting proves that we aren't really getting very much "real-world" feedback after all.
Btw... I can make random guesses aboot what SC's real-life personality is like, but frankly, I find myself mildly agreeing with some of his assessments... even if I never would have said it in the same exact way.
WATYF
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bdbdbucksKID
New member
This has been interesting
To agree with everyone:
My points
1- Everyone is entitled to their opinion
2- I was under the impression that this forum was designed for musicians to exchange constructive ideas and impressions with each other. Not insult one another.
3- The individual that calls him/herself Super Critic had nothing to say other than in a nutshell "you suck", nothing more. That wasn't very constructive.
4- Until I can hear the almighty Super Critic belt out a few notes, he/she is pissing in the wind in my book.
5- Regardless of who Super Critic is...I am entitled to my opinion as well...Super Critic is a prick.
In conclusion, all this person had in mind was insulting people, that's all. I have seen other postings by this person and there is no support or advice...just "you suck", or "your work is kinda like oatmeal"(poor attempt at making an analogy) or "not bad" (one post)...Who the hell is this person? The sales matter, the crowd matters and because it also comes from the heart, it matters. If you don't like it...cool. Say...you know what I don't like your shit!!! That won't require any further elaboration. Then you can skip down the yellow brick road you f*cking princess. All I am saying is please post!!!!
If it turns out that you are a long time member, that would truly make you a loser...I hope that is not the case.
To agree with everyone:
My points
1- Everyone is entitled to their opinion
2- I was under the impression that this forum was designed for musicians to exchange constructive ideas and impressions with each other. Not insult one another.
3- The individual that calls him/herself Super Critic had nothing to say other than in a nutshell "you suck", nothing more. That wasn't very constructive.
4- Until I can hear the almighty Super Critic belt out a few notes, he/she is pissing in the wind in my book.
5- Regardless of who Super Critic is...I am entitled to my opinion as well...Super Critic is a prick.
In conclusion, all this person had in mind was insulting people, that's all. I have seen other postings by this person and there is no support or advice...just "you suck", or "your work is kinda like oatmeal"(poor attempt at making an analogy) or "not bad" (one post)...Who the hell is this person? The sales matter, the crowd matters and because it also comes from the heart, it matters. If you don't like it...cool. Say...you know what I don't like your shit!!! That won't require any further elaboration. Then you can skip down the yellow brick road you f*cking princess. All I am saying is please post!!!!
If it turns out that you are a long time member, that would truly make you a loser...I hope that is not the case.
HevyD47Ca
New member
Critics
dafduc said it first
Kramer said:What!?!I dont think there's a chance in hell of that!Chris likes to get credit for the words he posts so it couldnt be him.LMAO!
dafduc said it first
Jagular
Active member
WATYF said:
I agree with you to a point. Except that insults and general rudeness do not equal constructive criticism. That's what this place is about IMHO.
I know there is some softpeddling here. Some people aren't 100% comfortable telling someone something sucks. I think that is a good thing (to a point). It is called courtesy. I would rather focus on what is good about a piece and then offer some advice about what could be better. Of course this is all IMVHO. There are some folks here that put together some damn fine sounding music. There is a larger percentage of us that are still trying to figure things out. Thereare some of us that haven't a clue. But we all have one thing in common. We are all learning and I think we all love doing this.
Insults and berating has no place in a constructive learning environment. I would have a lot more respect for this character if he came in and gave constructive feedback like "I really don't think this sounded very good because..." or "this song really isn't that good because...". Instead, even the least offensive posts from this individual that I read today had a very negative vibe to them and were thinly veiled insults. At worst the comments were just outright rude and degrading.
I really hope this isn't some regular here. I have developed a great deal of respect for many folks here. This would only diminish that in my view.
That's my .02
dafduc
New member
I've had a little more time to think about this. I haven't ruled anyone out yet (and apologies if everyone's figured it out already and I missed it...
...but OnTheBlackRock has an axe to grind. He's my new first choice. Fr. Time is second. And someone well-meaning trying to make a point about the soft-peddling is third. Not necessarily Chris - he just hadn't chimed in on my thread, and he's ALWAYS chiming in. Or Sonusman maybe? He always enjoys a good slam...
...but OnTheBlackRock has an axe to grind. He's my new first choice. Fr. Time is second. And someone well-meaning trying to make a point about the soft-peddling is third. Not necessarily Chris - he just hadn't chimed in on my thread, and he's ALWAYS chiming in. Or Sonusman maybe? He always enjoys a good slam...
Toki987
Rock Steady
Those are some quite well thought out assessments of the intent and possible identity of the belly crawler. However, one must bear in mind when pulling these types of pranks that some of the individuals that post here are of many ages and a wide mix of personalities, and the honest and heartfelt efforts they put up for a critique or just so somebody out there notices them, represent the soul of that person. Any criticism can be and should be handled in an adult and constructive manner. A fleeting moment of cruel and thoughtless rhetoric could have a lkifetime effect on an innocent budding personality.
Sorry for hijacking bdbdbucksKid..
Sorry for hijacking bdbdbucksKid..
fenderlikingood
New member
Toki987
Rock Steady
fenderlikingood said:
fenderlikingood
New member
Toki987 said:
Right on tokester! I usually stay out of the internet argument's(it's usually a HUGE waste of time!) But since i participate here in the clinic more than anywhere else on the whole freakin' net, i thought i would say a few word's.
I know i'm in the "gush" camp people talk about, which can have a negative effect if i'm not being truthfull, but i have never and i mean NEVER gave someone a "glowing" review and not meant it!
I keep my negative comment's constructive and light hearted. I can see beyond a novice "mix" and see the effort put forth to create something that this person truely love's! I.E...music!!!! I'm in that "novice" camp.
I do see the pitfalls associated with "ego stroking" ( which i really don't see happening in the clinic, i really don't! Some guy's are beyond our (my) "help"(if you will). I just enjoy their music and learn from it, and these guy's are alway's there with answer's to our/my question's. When people like this "super-critic" give comment's like.....give it up man!, "this suck's!...ect.... It has no redeming quality whatsoever!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!!
MY .02....FLAME ON!
-Rick
fenderlikingood
New member
HEHEHEHEH
NIPPLE SCARF'S!!!!!!!!
NIPPLE SCARF'S!!!!!!!!
bdbdbuck
New member
dafduc said:I've had a little more time to think about this. I haven't ruled anyone out yet (and apologies if everyone's figured it out already and I missed it...
...but OnTheBlackRock has an axe to grind. He's my new first choice. Fr. Time is second. And someone well-meaning trying to make a point about the soft-peddling is third. Not necessarily Chris - he just hadn't chimed in on my thread, and he's ALWAYS chiming in. Or Sonusman maybe? He always enjoys a good slam...
It could be OTBR, he's been a real dumbass in the Studio forum, but his grammar doesn't really match up with SC....or does it? It doesn't really matter, seems for the most part he's been dismissed as the looser he is. I think there is a good bit of soft-peddling that goes on here as a natural common courtesy between all of us. I for one do a lot of listening but rarely offer up an opinion simply because I'm not much on mixing, and I think that's the real reason most folks post here....to get mix advice. I don't really think this forum is supposed to be a place to critique someone for their vocal quality or the creativeness of their songwriting. There are other forums on this board for that kind of thing. Most of the regulars know that, and that's why I don't really think this guy is a regular...could be OTBR.
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