tube plugin or tube channel strip

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SouthSIDE Glen said:
I think it's something like, "If a bear uses 16-bit converters in the woods but there's no one there to hear them, will they still sound cold and brittle?" Or was it the pope?...

G.
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Or was it "does a one legged duck spin in circles on a vinyl record?"
 
Comedy goes like this:

~thunder of a one handed clap~

Cheney walks into the oval office a few days ago and says George, three Brazilian soldiers were killed last night. The president says no, that is terrible, how can something so tragic happen like that. Oh my God, he says I don't think I can handle any more. Bush became so distraught that they had to close down the white house the rest of the day.

Later on that evening George calls up Chaney at his house and says,"Dick, exacly how many is three brazilian?"

Sorry Reggie, I obviously need to lighten up :)
 
For the record:
my DAW is 2x4.6 dualcore 2 gig memory tuned for beeing DAW (I think on that machine only 14 processes are running).
The audio interface is RME multiface running at 48kHz/24 bit (eventually 96kHz/24 bit), latency is 3 ms (just for the curiosity). Room is "completely" treated with very nice flat response, even a cheapo boom bix sound rather OK in the room.
I do not have a cold/harsh sound at all. :rolleyes:

Glen, have you ever met Mr.R. Feynman?
I have studied his theory several years ago....

trif :)
note: "What I cannot create, I do not understand" — Richard P. Feynman
 
trifidmaster said:
Glen, have you ever met Mr.R. Feynman?
I have studied his theory several years ago....
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No, I have never had the pleasure. I have read practically everything he has ever written (including his treatise on QED) several times over, as well as evey book or film I have found written or filmed about or with him. I also have recordings of his famous lecture series on CD.

G.
 
Dear gens, I know this is about mixing/mastering but please allow me one more public message to Glen.

Glen,
I did not read his QED (1945), only his lectures. Quntum mechanics was one of the most difficult subject for me during the univerity studies including a few subjects from Landau-Lifsic...and after I made an IR laser and found the solution for a good interface between sapphire and GaN and worked on many other subjects I left the laboratory...

But music was always with me, and it will be so forever.

trif.
 
trifidmaster said:
But music was always with me, and it will be so forever.
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Well, triff, that is one gift we have to be thankful for that Feynman was never lucky enough to experience. He played bongos and enjoyed rhythm, but he was self-admittedly completly tone deaf. Music was something he indeed could neither create or understand.

"Everything God makes has a crack in it." - George Carlin

G.
 
the thing alot of us forget is the end listener... most people dont understand digital harshness or tape warmth or really care, they just want to be able to understand or in some case like in grindcore not understand what they are hearing. and in digital and analog recording both you can do . i have a friend who has a small home studio and he is always saying " i do it this way so if i wanna change it later i can do so". like if he makes a cd or something that if he finds something later he doesnt like he can just tell everyone to give back the cds so he can change what he disliked. make your music the best that you can, and let it go.
 
scorpio01169 said:
if he finds something later he doesnt like he can just tell everyone to give back the cds so he can change what he disliked.
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Never heard of that before. I must say it's not a very practical approach.
 
Unfortunately I could not test the Avalon unit.
But the UAudio SOLO/610 is with me.

I am in doubts.
Actually I do not know what should I hear. In fact the coloration what I hear is very very tiny - very difficult to hear.
The input tri-color led on the Uaudio unit is in AMBER color, rarely in red (clipping).

In comparison my vsti plugin adds very drastical change to the sound even I use it with low settings.

Any input is welcome.


trif.
 
It's kind of like what I said earlier in this thread: if you want true tube coloration you need to go with real tubes. The plugin is giving you an *effect*, not actual tube coloration. The tone of real tubes can indeed be very subtle.

Your ears may need to get used to the sound of good tube gear. It's not what you might think it is. I do find the "effect" to be subtle, but the overall tone to be a bit rounder and more pleasing to the ear. It's more about tone than effect, and this is where some go wrong. You read a lot of posts on message boards where people want to use tube gear as an effect, and often those same people are a bit dissapointed when they actually use real tube gear. Also, the better the gear, the more clean and subtle the tube sound will be, as far as the "effect" of it. The tone will be nice though.

But again, the plugin is giving you a drastic effect, not the true sound of good tube gear.
 
Yeah, kind of rounder.
And what about transparency?
I feel the "harshness" of the sound is reduced. Is it also a "sign" of the tube sound?

I expected a bigger change.

It seams to me that the highs are a bit "closed" (again vey subtle) with the unit.

trif.

I think the UAudio unit is good quality,
 
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Good tube gear is transparent, unless it is specifically designed to give a certain type of coloration. I do think that good tube gear softens a certain "harshness" you can have with some digital gear.
 
SonicAlbert,
Thanks!
Doyou have tube gear in your studio?
trif.
 
Yes, but not very much and most of what I had is now sold. What's currently in my studio is an ART PRO VLA and a Peavey Tube Sweetener. That's it.

Tube gear I've previously owned includes an HHB tube parametric eq, a TLA Audio Ivory series tube compressor, a Manley Vari-Mu compressor, and a couple Groove Tubes DITTO DI boxes. All good gear by the way, especially the Manley and Groove Tubes units.

Oh, and I also use a couple ART DI/O converters, which have tubes in them.

The specific reason I have the PRO VLA and Peavey Tube Sweetener is for use on some synth and sampler sounds. I run the signal through the PRO VLA and then to the Peavey.
 
What model from Peavey do you use?

Next observation: If I let run kick(s) (from synths/sampler) through the UAudio unit, it seams thay cause easier clipping.

Next: I hear the TONE of the unit - kind of new for me.

trif.
 
It's called the Peavey Tube Sweetener, no model number. Rotten for drums though, at least in my experience. Much better for sustained sounds. Drums just seem to turn it into a distortion machine.

Where is the clipping occurring? Also, I'm assuming you are running your line level signal into the DI input?
 
Yes, I am using line level signal into DI input. The clipping appears if I increase the "DRIVE" settings on the UAudio unit. Otherwise no problem. The unit seams to be OK on many different type of sounds.

I am considering to test another unit, too.

trif.
 
After testing the UAudio Solo/610 unit I am certainly sure that Iwill not puchase this unit. :(
trif.
 
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