True Systems Precision 8

[chessrock]

Have some dignity. You said the engineer worked with a number of artists you've never heard of. Turns out the engineer, assistant or not, has worked with a number of clients you most definitely have heard of.

Look, Dicknose.

I pulled this shit straight off of Pipeline's Web site: http://members.cox.net/pipelineaudio/bands.htm


And I haven't heard of one fecking band on that short list. If he's had such a major hand in all of thes projects Ed Rei refered to in his little link ... then why the hell isn't Pipeline showing this off on his own web site? ? ? Doesn't he think these projects might make for some sort of selling point ... similar to how I might list Josh Ritter or Bound Stems, for example?

Help me out here. I'd love to be able to say from the bottom of my heart that you guys are right, and that my loud mouth has been completely and utterly owned! ! ! But sadly, I'm afraid you guys are going to have to do much, much better than that. My final verdict is that it is still very highly debatable as to whether or not I was, in fact owned.

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[Supercreep]

Has he or has he not worked with Stevie Nicks, Megadeth, and Dokken?

Is that question in dispute? If you do dispute it, please provide some sort of evidence and I'll apologize right here in this thread.

You won't, and consequently neither will I.

What he does or does not list at his website is irrelevant to whether he's worked with the artists in question. He has, or he hasn't. Whether or not you should have known is also irrelevant. Whether or not I have a dicknose is irrelevant. You made an assertion, and it appears to be very very wrong indeed.


That's the issue here. Facts are facts.

 

[Supercreep]

And since this is highly debatable, I expect some kind of cogent counterargument, genius.

 

[BigRay]

i guess if it doesnt have transformers and TOOOOBs it is automatically boring.

what a crock of unbridled bullshit.

I have 4 very nice tube pres(pendulum mDP-1s. electronaut m63), 3 nice discrete pres(millennia HV-3C), and 11 IC based pres(DAV BG-1)

they each have their uses. People need to quit focusing so much on "specs" and "anatomy" and start fucking listening.

what gets me even more is people who have never touched a piece of gear, but rag on it based on specs alone. give me a fucking break. idiots.


and we wonder why modern recordings sound like shit. if you want to be a fucking scientist, go to MIT, and let people that LISTEN do the recording.


if a bunch of powerhouses use a piece of gear, it is a fairly safe bet that the gear probably is good to go, despite what basement studio billy # 1 says or speculates about "components'".. there are also different ICs..and im sure that the true folks took a lot of time and effort to match all the components for synergy/sonics....you cant just throw any IC into a chassis and have it sound like a true systems..the idea of that is fucking ridiculous. it isnt JUST the chip that makes a difference on the sonics..

 

[warble2]

I've been dinking around with my new P-Solo (one channel) this afternoon, and I'm liking what I'm hearing. Low noise, and really nice response along the spectrum from lows to highs. I'm using a "low-end" CAD M177 microphone (which is a pretty neutral mic), and am pleased with the results. Gibson Les Paul going in clean and direct sounds pretty damn nice as well. I'm certainly not an expert, but IMO, True Systems created a nice product here.

I feel that for $600, I've finally moved up into a high quality pre-amp I'll get a lot of use out of. It looks cool too - guess that overrides the supposedly "boring" sound I'm "supposed" to be getting from it.

 

[BigRay]

good for you man. congrats.

I've been dinking around with my new P-Solo (one channel) this afternoon, and I'm liking what I'm hearing. Low noise, and really nice response along the spectrum from lows to highs. I'm using a "low-end" CAD M177 microphone (which is a pretty neutral mic), and am pleased with the results. Gibson Les Paul going in clean and direct sounds pretty damn nice as well.

I feel that for $600, I've finally moved up into a high quality pre-amp I'll get a lot of use out of.

 

[chessrock]

What he does or does not list at his website is irrelevant to whether he's worked with the artists in question. He has, or he hasn't. Whether or not you should have known is also irrelevant. Whether or not I have a dicknose is irrelevant. You made an assertion, and it appears to be very very wrong indeed.


That's the issue here. Facts are facts.

If you can remember that far back, my original assertion was that the True Audio mic pres were nothing special, and certainly overpriced for what you get.

Whether or not Pipeline has worked with Dokken ... or Winger or Accept or Zebra or even Englebert Humperdink, for that matter ... is not relevent to that assertion.

That's the issue here, and those are the facts.

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[chessrock]

i guess if it doesnt have transformers and TOOOOBs it is automatically boring.

what a crock of unbridled bullshit.

Look, dumbass. Don't try and steer the issue in that direction, just so you can get on your little Joemkeek "if it sounds good, it is good" dissertation.

NW Soundman has forgotten more things about audio and electronics than half of your pea brain will ever be filled with in your entire worthless life time. And what he is pointing out is that, considering the type of components used in the manufacturing of this particular device in question, it's overpriced.

You could buy all of the components it uses off digikey and make one yourself for like 50 bucks. Your little DAV mic pre could be made for about $10. That's actually what Jim Williams was trying to tell you on the Gearslutz board -- yet another guy, by the way, who's knowlege on this stuff is like a universe compared to your little spec of dust. But I guess you're just smarter than him, too. Whatever.
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[nwsoundman]

i guess if it doesnt have transformers and TOOOOBs it is automatically boring.

what a crock of unbridled bullshit.

I have 4 very nice tube pres(pendulum mDP-1s. electronaut m63), 3 nice discrete pres(millennia HV-3C), and 11 IC based pres(DAV BG-1)

they each have their uses. People need to quit focusing so much on "specs" and "anatomy" and start fucking listening.

what gets me even more is people who have never touched a piece of gear, but rag on it based on specs alone. give me a fucking break. idiots.


and we wonder why modern recordings sound like shit. if you want to be a fucking scientist, go to MIT, and let people that LISTEN do the recording.


if a bunch of powerhouses use a piece of gear, it is a fairly safe bet that the gear probably is good to go, despite what basement studio billy # 1 says or speculates about "components'".. there are also different ICs..and im sure that the true folks took a lot of time and effort to match all the components for synergy/sonics....you cant just throw any IC into a chassis and have it sound like a true systems..the idea of that is fucking ridiculous. it isnt JUST the chip that makes a difference on the sonics..

Is that directed at me?

If so you are preaching to the wrong person. I have designed and built tons of hardware in a few fields including audio. I actually deleted a comment from my post where I said you can't judge a box by paper alone. I removed it because after years of building this shit and years of recording with that shit you CAN get a pretty good estimate of sound based on specs and topology. What I CAN'T say based on paper alone is if one box of same topology is better sounding than another. The sound is in the details.

Also don't assume I am an basement studio billy. You are dead wrong there dipshit.

Regarding your powerhouse statement, what a crock of shit. If what you say is true than fucking pro tools is the shit. Because all the big players use it it must be good. Ya right.

 

[BigRay]

who is talking to you???if I want to talk to a specific person, ill do it by name. I was commenting, just like you were. If I do have an issue with you, you can bet your ass ill call you out by name, and not in a subtle manner. . I dont know about "LIVE SOUND" guys, but top dog recording engineers probably wont use a piece of gear if it is worthless. just a hunch there....

and are you saying pro tools sucks???I dont like or use the program( I Use Sequoia and Samplitude) because of the workflow, and because due to the nature of my work(all classical recording, I need a powerful crossfade editor that PT does not have)..but if you are saying that....well....that is a pretty silly thing to say. you may not like how it is set up, but it isnt at the top of the game because it sucks ass.

What I CAN'T say based on paper alone is if one box of same topology is better sounding than another. The sound is in the details.

I agree with you....so calm down, get some pussy, shoot up, whatever...

for future reference, I will CALL YOU BY NAME IF I AM ADDRESSING YOU. mighty touchy around here....

have a great evening!

Is that directed at me?

If so you are preaching to the wrong person. I have designed and built tons of hardware in a few fields including audio. I actually deleted a comment from my post where I said you can't judge a box by paper alone. I removed it because after years of building this shit and years of recording with that shit you CAN get a pretty good estimate of sound based on specs and topology. What I CAN'T say based on paper alone is if one box of same topology is better sounding than another. The sound is in the details.

Also don't assume I am an basement studio billy. You are dead wrong there dipshit.

Regarding your powerhouse statement, what a crock of shit. If what you say is true than fucking pro tools is the shit. Because all the big players use it it must be good. Ya right.

 

[nwsoundman]

who is talking to you???if I want to talk to a specific person, ill do it by name. I was commenting, just like you were. If I do have an issue with you, you can bet your ass ill call you out by name, and not in a subtle manner. . I dont know about "LIVE SOUND" guys, but top dog recording engineers probably wont use a piece of gear if it is worthless. just a hunch there....

and are you saying pro tools sucks???I dont like or use the program( I Use Sequoia and Samplitude) because of the workflow, and because due to the nature of my work(all classical recording, I need a powerful crossfade editor that PT does not have)..but if you are saying that....well....that is a pretty silly thing to say. you may not like how it is set up, but it isnt at the top of the game because it sucks ass.




I agree with you....so calm down, get some pussy, shoot up, whatever...

for future reference, I will CALL YOU BY NAME IF I AM ADDRESSING YOU. mighty touchy around here....

have a great evening!

Your such a retard aren't you. You don't comprehend what you read. You make assumptions and never get them right. I can read between the lines so I know you directed the post in question at me. Don't be such an idiot man.

Do you think that because my handle is nwsoundman I am a live sound guy?

Regarding pro tools, I used that as an example to show that your statement saying shit must be good if there are any big names using it is bullshit. You even say it sucks ass. Guess what I have one of the biggest PT rigs in LA. I use it everyday. Go to my website and take a look at our client list. According to your theaory of big names using a product makes it good PT's must be the best DAW hands down.

And by the way PT's is not my DAW of choice but I can cut classical music on it all day and all night. What's your problem. Maybe you just need some more experience.

Feel free to call me out anytime. Stop by sometime when you are in town.

 

[BigRay]

Your such a retard aren't you. You don't comprehend what you read. You make assumptions and never get them right. I can read between the lines so I know you directed the post in question at me. Don't be such an idiot man.

Do you think that because my handle is nwsoundman I am a live sound guy?

Regarding pro tools, I used that as an example to show that your statement saying shit must be good if there are any big names using it is bullshit. You even say it sucks ass. Guess what I have one of the biggest PT rigs in LA. I use it everyday. Go to my website and take a look at our client list. According to your theaory of big names using a product makes it good PT's must be the best DAW hands down.

And by the way PT's is not my DAW of choice but I can cut classical music on it all day andwor all night. What's your problem. Maybe you just need some more experience.

Feel free to call me out anytime. Stop by sometime when you are in town.

now now..Why the calling names??that isnt professional.


Oh, I CAN work with PT(and did for a while), I just prefer not to, because it lacks a good crossfade editor. I didnt say it was the "best" DAW...I said it is at the top of the game(stats, sales). If it sucked ass, it probably wouldnt be up there. Especially with all of the native solutions around..

we all need more experience, but I do good work. . I make enough money just recording on the side(I dont do it full time because I am in the army) to buy whatever I choose to buy, and upgrade as I see fit.I just recorded the number one German string quartet a couple of weeks ago, and August 27 I was hired to record Bruckner's 6th for one of the number one directors in Germany..got picked over all of the other location firms. (Sequoia and Samp just costed me out the ass to upgrade) I go full time come february, and Ill be just fine. I had good teachers. And I was not directing that at you. If I were, I would have quoted you. I am many things, but I dont mince words or hide from anyone.

no thanks on LA. PT reigns supreme there from what ive heard, and there are a lot of location classical guys in that area...NC is perfect for me. I racked up contacts as a Classical/Opera singer before I came in the army there, so my niche is waiting on me. I dont like CA anyway, and LA is a crime ridden over crowded pit. its the country for me. LA isnt my style, though my good friend, Kavi Alexander of Waterlily lives there.

 

[BigRay]

also, I dont "cut" music, all my work is live.I have no desire for studio work.

I am going to build a mixing/mastering suite in which to polish the live work that I bring in from the field, but no tracking will be going on there.. aint my thing.

Your such a retard aren't you. You don't comprehend what you read. You make assumptions and never get them right. I can read between the lines so I know you directed the post in question at me. Don't be such an idiot man.

Do you think that because my handle is nwsoundman I am a live sound guy?

Regarding pro tools, I used that as an example to show that your statement saying shit must be good if there are any big names using it is bullshit. You even say it sucks ass. Guess what I have one of the biggest PT rigs in LA. I use it everyday. Go to my website and take a look at our client list. According to your theaory of big names using a product makes it good PT's must be the best DAW hands down.

And by the way PT's is not my DAW of choice but I can cut classical music on it all day and all night. What's your problem. Maybe you just need some more experience.

Feel free to call me out anytime. Stop by sometime when you are in town.

 

[nwsoundman]

now now..Why the calling names??that isnt professional.

I thought the same thing all last night. I regret participating in a retarded internet argument. It is not good for my business nor my clients for me to stoop to that level.

I'm out.

 

[fraserhutch]

My dick is bigger than all of yours.













At least it was in my dream last night.

Now why the hell was I dreaming about comparing my dick with all of yours anyways? I think I need help...... hold me.... (erhm, then again, maybe not)

 

[TexRoadkill]

I've worked with Pipeline on a few gigs and he's a friend of mine. He's got a rack with some Brent Averil Neve's, Focusrite Red's, Manley Vox Box, Langevin Dual Vocal combo and a few others I'm probably forgetting. He seems to use the True 8 on most of his stuff that I noticed him track.

I used his rack on one gig and I have to say the True sounded pretty good. It was a location gig and I didn't mix the tracks but I was impressed enough to put the True on my list of shit I need to get. I'll have to check out those others you guys mentioned.

In reference to Pipeline's resume he did work with all those bands in varying capacities and he knows his shit. When he worked at Vintage Audio here in Phoenix they had one of the best vintage gear collections in the country so he's had the opportunity to hear all the good stuff used by some great engineers and producers (Rick Rubin/Sheryl Crow is the one I'm most jealous of). He's also very unpretentious and doesn't throw his experience in your face. He is mainly credited with an assistant engineer credit because he was the house engineer (the guy who actually hooks up and runs everything) and wasn't the name hired by the label.

 

[tkingen]

I read that Ricky Skaggs likes to use the True Precision 8 for powering up the mics during his live shows. That man knows what acoustic bluegrass instruments should sound like. That alone is enough of an endorsement to pique interest.

 

[BigRay]

I read that Ricky Skaggs likes to use the True Precision 8 for powering up the mics during his live shows. That man knows what acoustic bluegrass instruments should sound like. That alone is enough of an endorsement to pique interest.

damn right he does. he is amazing.