trouble with doubling up

[youngflo]

i do but whenever i play it back there off it adds an echo

 

[NL5]

i do but whenever i play it back there off it adds an echo

You can manually chop them up and move them around. It's a LOT of work to do a full track, and often ends up sounding unnatural. I do this all the time for a word or two, but never a whole track.

Frankly, RAMI is right. If you have no sense of timing, it's gonna be a battle. Really listen to the music and try and be with the music - it will make your tracks sound WAY better in the long run.

There is your answer then.

 

[elly-d]

hehe very funny thread,

but seriously it looks like you have some timing issues, probably tech based rather than performance.

is your first vocal a little off time with the music? if so it is a latency issue.

if it is in, and only your double track out, i am guessing that you are monitoring you vocal though you DAW (as you record the double track vox) and it is delayed throwing you off a little in performance.

or is it a lyrics thing? i can't tell, post the lyrics

only joking man.

 

[legionserial]

i do but whenever i play it back there off it adds an echo

It's either you not singing in fully sync with the first track, or as previously mentioned, a latency issue. For the former, sing in sync with the first track, then you should be fine. If you have trouble with that, then practice. If you still have trouble, then I guess you could try singing a harmony instead rather than the same notes... It might be a little more forgiving...but not much. You could track your overdubs line by line I suppose. That way you only have to redo the bad parts. It might be cheating slightly but it's better than trying to use a computer to fix flaws in the performance. Are you singing or rapping?

For the latter, try reducing your buffer size. This might cause other issues however. Like pops and clicks. If you disable all the tracks you can do without while tracking and then do that it might be ok.

That said, personally I've worked with some real shitty latency before (*ahem* creative cards *ahem*) and not had problems with things being noticably out of sync afterwards.

What soundcard are you using?

 

[SonicAlbert]

If it is an echo that is of a consistent time factor, then slide the doubled track around until the lyrics line up.

However, if the doubled track goes in and out of lining up, then you either need to chop it up in little bits and slide them around individually, or re-record the track so that it better matches the original.

 

[jndietz]

Get as solid of a take as you can that matches up. From there, split the waveform in section and move it around. You'll only need to move it mere milliseconds probably, unless your performance is awful. Another alternative is to slap on some verb and run the vox through a stereo imaging plug (if you're going for the wide vocal type of thing).

 

[ikon]

im still not sure he ever mentions actually recording a double.....if he is just copy and pasting the main vocals he could be gettin some sort of phase effect or something...

 

[Daisy]

If it is an echo that is of a consistent time factor, then slide the doubled track around until the lyrics line up.

However, if the doubled track goes in and out of lining up, then you either need to chop it up in little bits and slide them around individually, or re-record the track so that it better matches the original.

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Let's look behind door number 3 to see what Sonic wins.

 

[RAMI]

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Let's look behind door number 3 to see what Sonic wins.

I picked that door way earlier.

 

[punkrocker]

He's talking about syncing up RYTHMICALLY. Melodyne doesn't do that, as far as I know.

Melodyne can adjust timing and pitch. There is also a randomizer for creating doubles. Not as good as real thing though. But yes if you are have trouble with timing melodyne can adjust it exactly by streching notes and shortening them. I would try the demo though first if you want to buy it to make sure it works with cool edit pro.

 

[punkrocker]

To create fake harmonies or to time align the tracks? I've never used Melodyne.

Cheating is fine, but not everything can be fixed that way.......

Yeah I would never use melodyne to create harmonies unless it was super-super low in the mix. But it does timing great almost better than vocalign i think. I have heard it though on my chemical romance's Famous Last Words if you listen at then end when its just him singing you can just barely hear an electronic octave above voice.