trombone micing

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I mentioned before that I'm recording my band this weekend. It has a horn section.Trying to spare a little expense. What does everyone think about using an AKG3000B for the trombone or shall I go buy an AT 4033. Present set is 421 for sax,sm57's for 2 trumpits(trying to save a little$$$) 2 AT 4033 out in front 'bout 5 feet in front of the horn section.The bone I'm a little worried about. OPINIONS PLEASE! thanks,jim
 
The AKG3000B should be fine - on a stand about 1 foot in front of bell. Don't laugh about the SM57 for trumpet, it's probably the best for what you've got as trumpets are very transient and the SM57 will handle the high SPL.
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thanks

John! I thought the 3000b would be ok.trombone can be so low I wanted to be sure. I'm glad you feel the 57's are ok for trumpit.I have to put in order what I have in mics when I do a big job like this. I'd like to let evereyone hear it when it's done.Have to figure out how. Thats another thread, thanks again,Jim
 
I play trombone and i just bought an AT 4033. i would probably recommend the AT4033 over the AKG3000b but i have not compared them. i havnt had time to record myself playing but what very little time i have recording (like 10 minutes of testing) it sounded pretty good. but i did notice though im not sure, is that i needs some good compression, especially if your playin jazz or a music type like that with hard attacks. i noticed too i had to turn the pad on to get the better sound with the hard attacks. i will try and test a little more for yah on the AT4033 and ill let you know what i think. the reason why i would probably recommend the at4033 over the akg 3000b is just because its a better mic, but of course some mics handle different instruments better than others so i cant really say since i have not tried the AKG 3000b. Ill let yah know though.
 
I'll wait

Thanks darnold, I see what your thoughts are. I just bought another Sennheiser 421 that I may use if the 3000b is not my choice.Just bought a CD recorder so $$$ are getting low,but the 4033 turn out to be the one i'LL GO FOR IT. Thanks,Jim
 
4033 is the only way to go out of all of them...

Go to my websites mp3 page and download a couple of the songs by The Heavy Brothers. I used a AT 4033 on trumpet and trombone, and a EV RE-27 on the sax. The horns are very fat and cut through the mix just fine.

I really don't see you needing the two AT 4033's 5 feet from the section. If you set up the horns in a triangle, with around 10 feet apart from each other, with the bone and pet mics about a foot from the bell like John said, you should get plenty of ambiance, as well as a nice direct sound. Of course, the sax mic should be fairly close, expecially with a 421 because that mic has a little hyped 4KHz thing going on, and not the biggest low end I have ever heard. I think the RE 20 or 27 is much better suited for sax then the 421, but that is a preference. Actually, I have heard great results tracking a sax with an Audix OM 5!

Anyway, good luck.

Ed
 
I could be mistaken but if you watch Late Night with Conan O'Brien the band on there use AT 4033's for trumpet, trombone and sax. It always pays to keep an eye out on shows like these to see what the pro's use... if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for us.

Just another useless fact brought to you by Cooperman :D
 
sonusman, i checked out that band you recorded from your site. thats some tight horn sounds. can yah give me some examples of what compression and techniques you used for micing the trumpet and trombone with the AT4033?? also, those are some tight drums also. mind sharing how your mic'd that set and what kind of compression you used? i envy that sound you got from that recording.

Darnold
 
Hmmmmmmmm...

I could write a book about recording that band. We spent 9 months recording, mixing, and mastering that CD.

The horns used no compression anywhere. The mics were around 12-18 inches from the bell. I used an ART preamp on them right into the ADAT's.

The drums are a long story. Basically, it is a Yamaha Recording Custom, and I tuned it myself. 4033's as overheads, 57's on the snare top and bottom and on the toms. RE 27 n/d on the kick. Mostly used the ART's on those too. Didn't use any compression except on a couple of songs on the snare on any of the drums tracks.

Ed
 
Thanks. I would use 4033 as overhead for my set overhead, but i dont have two so i dunno if i should. would it work ok with just one?
 
Sure...

I have mixed stuff that was recorded elsewhere with limited resources that only had one overhead. You will only have mono for your cymbals, but that eliminates a few other problems.

If it sounds good, go for it! THAT is the only REAL rule in audio...:)

Ed
 
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