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amt7565
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Can someone tell me if the Yamaha Motif is comparable to the Triton studio or the Triton LE?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Chriss
Jitens Half Brother
very much so... i'd say it's even better. More expandable and with great sounds and a bigger, bad'er sampler...
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amt7565
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Oh let me rephrase that question. I just wanted to know if the Motif is similar to the LE or the triton studio. Which does Motif closely resemble...the LE or the triton studio?
I am planning to get a Triton. Anyother feedback on why I should get a Motif instead?
Thanks!
I am planning to get a Triton. Anyother feedback on why I should get a Motif instead?
Thanks!
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c9-2001
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more expandable.. i beg to differ i use both..Chriss said:
actually last night my boy had hit motif 6 over here and i have TS61..
yea the motif has some nice sounds.. but its no triton studio.. now vs the regular triton yea.. they're neck and neck, but the TS.. its number 1.. the motif is number 2, then maybe the fantom..
i'm gonna get the motif rack when it comes out..
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amt7565
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I am confused...what are you saying? and what is the Ts61? Today I played a motif at the guitar center and the piano sounds are truly great!
I am consieering a Motif now...but still waiting on some feedback from folks ...what should I get....the Motif or a Triton....
I am consieering a Motif now...but still waiting on some feedback from folks ...what should I get....the Motif or a Triton....
stray411
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The Motif is comparable to neither the Triton LE or the Triton Studio. It would be comparable to the original Triton without expansion though. The Triton LE with sample option would be close, but I've heard negative things about the sample board with the LE.
The Motif is a great board, but like C9-2001 said, it's no Triton studio. BTW, The TS61 is the Triton Studio with 61 keys.
Stray
The Motif is a great board, but like C9-2001 said, it's no Triton studio. BTW, The TS61 is the Triton Studio with 61 keys.
Stray
Chriss
Jitens Half Brother
c9-2001 said:
oh.. you're right.. it's not anything like a triton studio, overlooked that, and it's so new that i'm not used to answer about the TS
... The Triton Studio is like... woooowww.. but it's also like... "i'll just sell the house darling, so i can get this new piece of gear, ok??"
IT doesn't have modular expansion like the motif though...
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amt7565
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So how much is this Triton studio you are talking about? there are somany models of tritons,,,,I am still confused....
And what is a modular expansion board?
Thanks
And what is a modular expansion board?
Thanks
Chriss
Jitens Half Brother
the triton studio is a huge lard ass piece of furniture with 7-9 (???) expansion slots and a cd-rom burner onboard..
I think it goes for a little below 4000$ ...
the modular expansion boards on the motif (the an200 and dx200)) are expansions that gives you V/A synthesis like on modular synthesizers these days.
gives you control of the sound like the old analogue synthesizers with patchwires and stuff... something is screwed up at the yamaha site, or i could have provided some links..
I think it goes for a little below 4000$ ...
the modular expansion boards on the motif (the an200 and dx200)) are expansions that gives you V/A synthesis like on modular synthesizers these days.
gives you control of the sound like the old analogue synthesizers with patchwires and stuff... something is screwed up at the yamaha site, or i could have provided some links..
stray411
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Yes it does. The MOSS expansion board.Chriss said:
http://www.synthman.com/korg/304910.html
Really the Triton Studio and Motif are not in the same ballpark at all. Any and everything the Motif can do the Triton Studio can do and then some. Whether one sounds better or is easier to use than the other is strictly personal preference, but no comparison on features. In the Triton line only the original Triton would be comparable based on features.
Amt7565, here's some links to straighten things out for you.
Reviews on original Triton
http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Korg/Triton-01.html
Reviews on Triton LE
http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Korg/Triton-LE-01.html
Reviews on Triton Studio
http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Korg/Triton-Studio-61-01.html
Review on Yamaha Motif
http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Yamaha/Motif-6-01.html
Korg Product info
www.korg.com
Yamaha Motif Product info
http://www.yamaha-motif.net/
Hope this helps.
Stray
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amt7565
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THanks Stray! I will read up on it...
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c9-2001
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like i said i use both.. the triton studio is the better board.. i'ma midi up a motif rack wit it..
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amt7565
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Well from the reviews....the MOTIF gets full marks for best sound quality....only thing I might miss is the multiple analog outs on the triton...the MOTIF has 1 dedicated stereo out and one assignable analog out...while the triton has 2/4....
but there is an option i can purchase for the MOTIF which will give 8 analog outs...
C9, I can't use both man...I can only afford one for now....that too it might be a couple of months before I get one.. Right now I am leaning to the MOTIF...I would love to get the Motif 8...has great keys...
but there is an option i can purchase for the MOTIF which will give 8 analog outs...
C9, I can't use both man...I can only afford one for now....that too it might be a couple of months before I get one.. Right now I am leaning to the MOTIF...I would love to get the Motif 8...has great keys...
Guernica
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oh, .....and i payed $2300 for my TS61.
Chriss
Jitens Half Brother
stray411 said:
that's not really the same... that's a pretty lame physical modeling card... yes, any and everything the Motif can do the Triton Studio can do and then some, except analogue modeling...
but you can get cheap analogue modeling units on the side, so that's no biggie... guernica, that's a pretty nice prize, what expansions were in it then??
Chriss
Jitens Half Brother
arcaxis said:
Yes, and the patch setups of the expansion are on the motif itself...
Haven't tried that yet though, so i can't tell you exactely how it works...
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Tribe O' Judah
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It might help guys if you could offer some specific examples of what makes the Triton Studio better. Is it sounds? Number of outputs? Polyphony? Don't just say it's better. Give me specs please. The reason I say this is the advertisement I read for the Triton Studio didn't say what else it offered other than the CD burner, which is optional.
This is not meant to offend anyone so please don't take it that way.
This is not meant to offend anyone so please don't take it that way.
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amt7565
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Also, anyone know what price is reasonable to spend on the MOTIF8? Guitarcenter retails it at $2600.00.
Thanks,
Thanks,
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Keyz316
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Hey amt7565 --
Price... I got my brand new Motif 8 at guitarcenter for $2340 ... all I had to do was bring them the quote I got from www.altomusic.com (you have to email them for it... and btw I did this about 8 or so months ago so your price may be different - hopefully even better *grin*).
So far as editing the PLG boards.... I don't have any of them yet myself, but as I understand it, editing can be done onboard, but making voices from scratch requires the computer software. Though on part of the Motif FAQ it says (regarding PLGs) "On top of that you can do pretty detailed editing right on Motif.....we’ll do another tutorial on how to utilize the PLG computer editing software, which allows PLG150 AN, DX and VL Voices to be built from scratch.* *requires appropriate PLG Voice Editor and XGworks 3.0 as a front end (Windows) or the stand alone editors for Mac" .... also more PLG questions are answered here.
You may also find these links useful:
http://freespace.virgin.net/readfern.gray/
http://motifhelp.tripod.com
Some things you probably may want to be aware of before jumping on the Motif bandwagon:
- Motif is "very" powerful... but as such it is also pretty darn complicated. The OS does not always work in the absolute most user-friendly manner (though really do any of em? hehe). Be willing to spend some serious time learning how to get things done.
- Insertion FX .... there's only 1... in other words - if you want to use two or more voices in your song/pattern that both require their specific Insert FX to sound right (i.e. wah on your guitar, etc).... you can't. A ton of Motif owners are currently lobbying Yamaha to release some form of hardware upgrade to make more Inserts available, though to my knowledge Yamaha has not responded yet. It shouldn't be hard though, especially considering the new Motif Rack has 4 insert effects. Because of this I tend to avoid using Motif's sequencer and rely on Sonar (which I prefer anyhow so it's ok).
- Polyphony .... you get 64 notes... Motif Rack has a much roomier 128. I'm not sure how this compares to Triton... though it trounces the Kurz k2600's 48 poly either way hehe (though it's better than both in its own different ways).
- User voice locations.... Triton Studio (and classic? dunno) has more memory locations than Motif for storing user voices and comes with a greater number of ready-to-go voices. You can easily load banks of voices on Motif though to make up for it. Speaking of voices, Motif's preset synth voices (dance/hiphop/etc) aren't as bleeding edge as Triton or the latest VAs... but with some editing they can be (and there are a number of people/companies coming out with collections of greatly improved voices along those lines).
Anyhow... you definately can't compre Motif with the Triton Studio in terms of features... the Triton Studio (88) is like $1000 more though, so it figures it would offer more. Adding an AW16G though brings Motif up to about the same level. If I had to do it again, and money wasn't an issue, I "might" get a Triton Studio, a Motif Rack, and a virtual analog synth like an Access Virus or Nord Lead 3. But money "is" an issue for me like many people, and I think Motif has the most value at it's pricepoint (though if you don't mind used gear, a used K2600 can be had at a similar price). For now I'm just hoping for the few bugfixes and upgrades that will help clear up the most major of Motif's flaws.
Well wow - I posted about 10x more than I planned... I just hope it's helpful for you and anyone else struggling with this decision
Peace.
Price... I got my brand new Motif 8 at guitarcenter for $2340 ... all I had to do was bring them the quote I got from www.altomusic.com (you have to email them for it... and btw I did this about 8 or so months ago so your price may be different - hopefully even better *grin*).
So far as editing the PLG boards.... I don't have any of them yet myself, but as I understand it, editing can be done onboard, but making voices from scratch requires the computer software. Though on part of the Motif FAQ it says (regarding PLGs) "On top of that you can do pretty detailed editing right on Motif.....we’ll do another tutorial on how to utilize the PLG computer editing software, which allows PLG150 AN, DX and VL Voices to be built from scratch.* *requires appropriate PLG Voice Editor and XGworks 3.0 as a front end (Windows) or the stand alone editors for Mac" .... also more PLG questions are answered here.
You may also find these links useful:
http://freespace.virgin.net/readfern.gray/
http://motifhelp.tripod.com
Some things you probably may want to be aware of before jumping on the Motif bandwagon:
- Motif is "very" powerful... but as such it is also pretty darn complicated. The OS does not always work in the absolute most user-friendly manner (though really do any of em? hehe). Be willing to spend some serious time learning how to get things done.
- Insertion FX .... there's only 1... in other words - if you want to use two or more voices in your song/pattern that both require their specific Insert FX to sound right (i.e. wah on your guitar, etc).... you can't. A ton of Motif owners are currently lobbying Yamaha to release some form of hardware upgrade to make more Inserts available, though to my knowledge Yamaha has not responded yet. It shouldn't be hard though, especially considering the new Motif Rack has 4 insert effects. Because of this I tend to avoid using Motif's sequencer and rely on Sonar (which I prefer anyhow so it's ok).
- Polyphony .... you get 64 notes... Motif Rack has a much roomier 128. I'm not sure how this compares to Triton... though it trounces the Kurz k2600's 48 poly either way hehe (though it's better than both in its own different ways).
- User voice locations.... Triton Studio (and classic? dunno) has more memory locations than Motif for storing user voices and comes with a greater number of ready-to-go voices. You can easily load banks of voices on Motif though to make up for it. Speaking of voices, Motif's preset synth voices (dance/hiphop/etc) aren't as bleeding edge as Triton or the latest VAs... but with some editing they can be (and there are a number of people/companies coming out with collections of greatly improved voices along those lines).
Anyhow... you definately can't compre Motif with the Triton Studio in terms of features... the Triton Studio (88) is like $1000 more though, so it figures it would offer more. Adding an AW16G though brings Motif up to about the same level. If I had to do it again, and money wasn't an issue, I "might" get a Triton Studio, a Motif Rack, and a virtual analog synth like an Access Virus or Nord Lead 3. But money "is" an issue for me like many people, and I think Motif has the most value at it's pricepoint (though if you don't mind used gear, a used K2600 can be had at a similar price). For now I'm just hoping for the few bugfixes and upgrades that will help clear up the most major of Motif's flaws.
Well wow - I posted about 10x more than I planned... I just hope it's helpful for you and anyone else struggling with this decision
Peace.
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amt7565
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Keyz316 thank for you advise. It was good!
OK, So I will ask them to drop the price, if not I threaten them to play a cheap Casio all my life, thus depriving them of a sale.
As for polyphony insn't 64 plenty? I can't imagine using anything more than 32.....
As for the insertion, I plan to use SONAR to control the MOTIF and don't plan to use the MOTIF standalone....so for example lets say i want to add reverb on the drums, strings and piano....it's not possible on MOTIF, but I can still do it from SONAR? Is that what you meant?
As for the voices, I don't do any hiphop or dance....so I am hoping everything else will be good. And I love the keys on the MOTIF8.
But I still have an open mind....as always.....and if I can find a better reason to get the Triton, I will get that....
Thanks
OK, So I will ask them to drop the price, if not I threaten them to play a cheap Casio all my life, thus depriving them of a sale.
As for polyphony insn't 64 plenty? I can't imagine using anything more than 32.....
As for the insertion, I plan to use SONAR to control the MOTIF and don't plan to use the MOTIF standalone....so for example lets say i want to add reverb on the drums, strings and piano....it's not possible on MOTIF, but I can still do it from SONAR? Is that what you meant?
As for the voices, I don't do any hiphop or dance....so I am hoping everything else will be good. And I love the keys on the MOTIF8.
But I still have an open mind....as always.....and if I can find a better reason to get the Triton, I will get that....
Thanks