darrin_h2000
Banned
Acid 3.0 for only 75.00!!!
Thanks for the link Dudes!!!
Thanks for the link Dudes!!!
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CarmenC
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Griffinator said:
No.
Your analogy in incorrect.
To make it correct, Behringer would have to be selling a cable tester
with the brand EbTech on it, mixers with the name Mackie on them,
amps with the names Fender or Marshall on them,
compressors with the name Alesis or FMR on them, etc.
for 1/3 the price of the actual products.
That's called counterfieting.
That would be tolerated for about 5 minutes just about anywhere.
Led Zeppelin stole from every major blues artist and did not give credit until
they were sued.
Boycott Led Zeppelin?
What about modelling?
The Line 6 POD says it sounds like a Fender, Marshall, Soldano, Matchless, Mesa Boogie, etc. and USE THOSE COMPANIES BRAND NAMES IN THEIR ADS!
www.line6.com
Boycott Line 6?
Roland just came out wit a $599.00 pre-amp that they say sounds like a Avalon 737sp, a Millenia Origin, a Neve 1082, a Great River, a CraneSong Flamingo,etc., and again, USE THOSE COMPANIES BRAND NAMES IN THEIR ADS!
www.rolandus.com
Boycott Roland?
Jim Marshall reverse engineered a Fender Bassman and called it the JTM-45.
Marshall Amplification was born.
I will not boycott Marshall.
How many companies put out their own versions of Fender P or J basses?
Boycott Sodowsky(sp), Ibanez, Modulus...?
How many companies put out their versions of the Fender Strat or Gibson LesPaul?
Remember Hondo?
Boycott Fernandes, Ibanez?
To solve their problem with companies cloneing their products for cheap money,
Fender created Squire and Gibson created Epiphone.
They clone THEIR OWN DESIGNS and sell them with inferior parts to ward off the Behringers of the world.
You want high quality guitars?
Fender and Gibson have 'em.
Want low grade copies?
Fender and Gibson sell those, too!
Microsoft?
Wait a minute.
(Windows 95 was an original idea..)
Who built the first acoustic guitar?
Is every builder of acoustic guitars after that a thief?
Does every lava lamp manufacturer pay royalities to the guy who built the first one?
How about toasters?
George Harrison copied "She's So Fine" in his song" My Sweet Lord".
Boycott George Harrison?
Don't even get me started on 12 bar blues...
All EbTech has to do to solve their problem is do what Fender and Gibson did.
Cut manufacturing costs and sell an inferior version of their product to compete with the Behringer model for $5 less than Behringer.
Then we'd all buy that.
Keep the quality version in their product line and market it as the best quality cable tester under the sun.
Some people will buy that version just because it's the best.
If you only buy from companies with original ideas, it will be a short list.
A very high priced short list.
Let the marketplace decide.
Peace.
Carmen
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Griffinator
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OK Carmen
Let me know when your new CD comes out.
So I can perform my own versions of your tracks - with my voice, my instruments, my drum sampler, and give you no credit, in fact I'll loudly proclaim on the CD jacket that this is 100% my work.
Oh - and I'll sell my CD for 1/3 the price of yours.
Let me know when your new CD comes out.
So I can perform my own versions of your tracks - with my voice, my instruments, my drum sampler, and give you no credit, in fact I'll loudly proclaim on the CD jacket that this is 100% my work.
Oh - and I'll sell my CD for 1/3 the price of yours.
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CarmenC
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
Hey Griffinator,
That link just made their sales skyrocket (see the quote above)!
Ya think you just hurt the sales of hundreds of legit companies
by posting a link to a web site that counterfeits their software?
Did you just expose this BBS to liability for doing so?
Do people think before they post?
Shoot form the hip and someone might shoot back.
Whataworld......
Peace.
Carmen
darrin_h2000 said:Acid 3.0 for only 75.00!!!
Thanks for the link Dudes!!!
Hey Griffinator,
That link just made their sales skyrocket (see the quote above)!
Ya think you just hurt the sales of hundreds of legit companies
by posting a link to a web site that counterfeits their software?
Did you just expose this BBS to liability for doing so?
Do people think before they post?
Shoot form the hip and someone might shoot back.
Whataworld......
Peace.
Carmen
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Griffinator
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Re: ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
Do you not think that the person who made that post knows better than to "buy" counterfeit software?
Do you not think that they already know that there are places all over the net that already give that software away?
C'mon, dude.
You're not that naive.
CarmenC said:
Hey Griffinator,
That link just made their sales skyrocket (see the quote above)!
Ya think you just hurt the sales of hundreds of legit companies
by posting a link to a web site that counterfeits their software?
Did you just expose this BBS to liability for doing so?
Do people think before they post?
Shoot form the hip and someone might shoot back.
Whataworld......
Peace.
Carmen
Do you not think that the person who made that post knows better than to "buy" counterfeit software?
Do you not think that they already know that there are places all over the net that already give that software away?
C'mon, dude.
You're not that naive.
VOXVENDOR
New member
I wouldn't worry too much about there sales increase..
If anyone should worry, it should be Darrin, about whether he's gonna get his Acid 3.0 Before they get shut down.
In fact wanna bet that there aren't any actual products?.... I bet they will run off with Darrin's and everyone elses $75.00
When Darrin Emails them looking for his "acid" they will say.. "Ahhhh HA HA HA.... Serves you right for attempting to buy stolen software"
Go ahead Darrin, send it off, and tell us what happens
He he....
PS.. Hey Carm.. Good to see ya around... keep kicken out the cool tunes bro!
If anyone should worry, it should be Darrin, about whether he's gonna get his Acid 3.0 Before they get shut down.
In fact wanna bet that there aren't any actual products?.... I bet they will run off with Darrin's and everyone elses $75.00
When Darrin Emails them looking for his "acid" they will say.. "Ahhhh HA HA HA.... Serves you right for attempting to buy stolen software"
Go ahead Darrin, send it off, and tell us what happens
He he....
PS.. Hey Carm.. Good to see ya around... keep kicken out the cool tunes bro!
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CarmenC
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Griffinator said:OK Carmen
Let me know when your new CD comes out.
So I can perform my own versions of your tracks - with my voice, my instruments, my drum sampler, and give you no credit, in fact I'll loudly proclaim on the CD jacket that this is 100% my work.
Oh - and I'll sell my CD for 1/3 the price of yours.
All my stuff is ©CarmenC.
If you try to sell my song as your own work without giving proper credit,
even if you re-record it yourself, that's copyright infringment.
George Harrison was a fucking BEATLE, and he couldn't get away with it
("My Sweet Lord").
What makes you think you could?
What you are suggesting happens in the ad world every day.
People re-record other people's songs for ads to avoid paying
royalties for the song AND the original recorded version.
There are 2 types of copyrights.
1 for lyrics and music, and 1 for the actual recorded version
of those lyrics and music.
If I use both, which most pros do, you have to get my permission to either use my recorded version, or perform your version of my tune.
Either version you use, you pay, or go to jail.
Like when Joan Jett covers "Crimson and Clover", for an example, Tommy James gets the bulk of the money from the record, Joan Jett get the exposure for her career.
So if you have a hit with your version of one of my tunes, I get the songwriting credit and the bulk of the royalties, or you get sued.
And all I did was write the song.
You do the bulk of the work (record it, press it, promote it, distribute it, etc.).
Hey, wait a minute...
Ok, you've got a deal.
Peace.
Carmen
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CarmenC
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Thanx, Vox.VOXVENDOR said:I wouldn't worry too much about there sales increase..
If anyone should worry, it should be Darrin, about whether he's gonna get his Acid 3.0 Before they get shut down.
In fact wanna bet that there aren't any actual products?.... I bet they will run off with Darrin's and everyone elses $75.00
When Darrin Emails them looking for his "acid" they will say.. "Ahhhh HA HA HA.... Serves you right for attempting to buy stolen software"
Go ahead Darrin, send it off, and tell us what happens
He he....
PS.. Hey Carm.. Good to see ya around... keep kicken out the cool tunes bro!
I'll be posting more soon.
It's good to be around.
You're probably right about dealing with that web site.
It's amazing the risks and trouble people will go through to save a buck.
It's not much different than dealing with a drug dealer.
You never know what your getting or paying for.
Maybe Osama gets his money from counterfeit software?
Maybe he secretly owns Behringer?
Holy Shit!
Boycott!!!!
Peace to you, Vox
Carmen
VOXVENDOR
New member
He he
You never know eh....
You never know eh....
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
I saw that place a while back. I sell CAD software called Xsteel. We sell it for $25,000 per license and they have it for $480! Not only that but when you search for our software on MSN that site comes up as the sponsored link.
It is amazing they can be so brash about selling pirated software.
It is amazing they can be so brash about selling pirated software.
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FenderTL5
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CarmenC said:
Let me get this straight, you have no qualm about your disregard of intellectual copyrights, yet you copyright your own songs?
Situational ethics running it's course to full blown hypocrisy.
Or stirring the pot to get a visceral response?
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Griffinator
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FenderTL5 said:
Glad someone sees this ethical paradox in its proper light.
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atomictoyz
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If something is too good to be true...it usually is. I would be vary wary of anything like this. This has scam written all over it and I would be surprised if anyone actually recieves the software proir to the their credit card being instantly maxed.
People are so caught up in getting something for nothing, that they will risk losing everything for nothing!
Peace,
Dennis
People are so caught up in getting something for nothing, that they will risk losing everything for nothing!
Peace,
Dennis
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CarmenC
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Nope.
So people who don't agree with you are hipocrites?
Have you got permission to use the Fender name?
You have made an assumption that Behringer is guilty, and that they have violated intellectual copyrights, based on what, a picture, or what some one else says?
Have you heard their side yet?
Who's trying to stir a pot...
I copyright my songs because I contend that they're my original ideas.
If they are found not to be so, the copyright is null & void.
Here's Behringer's view of this situation....
Dear Sir,
We refer to your email alleging our copying of Ebtech's Swiss Army 6 in 1
cable tester.
BEHRINGER takes strong objection to your baseless accusation of us stealing
Ebtech's designs. The
layout of the top of the device is simple and functional. There can hardly
be any trademark or trade dress protection which can subsist on this design.
The hardware and software in the product are designed by our own R&D
department independently. We bring to you the analogy of the simple
functional design of an electrical adaptor. We are of the view that this
product is similar and houses no intellectual property rights that is
registrable nor attributable to Ebtech.
If you are aware of any intellectual property protection that subsists in
Ebtech's product, we would appreciate if you can furnish us with the
information for further investigation.
If not, we strongly object to your act of sending such baseless emails which
damage the reputation of BEHRINGER and is defamatory of us and demand that
such actions be stopped immediately. We will pursue all legal action(s)
necessary against such conduct.
Best Regards,
Counsel, Legal & Corporate Affairs
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Just because you see things differently, doesn't make you right.
Peace.
Carmen
FenderTL5 said:
So people who don't agree with you are hipocrites?
Have you got permission to use the Fender name?
You have made an assumption that Behringer is guilty, and that they have violated intellectual copyrights, based on what, a picture, or what some one else says?
Have you heard their side yet?
Who's trying to stir a pot...
I copyright my songs because I contend that they're my original ideas.
If they are found not to be so, the copyright is null & void.
Here's Behringer's view of this situation....
Dear Sir,
We refer to your email alleging our copying of Ebtech's Swiss Army 6 in 1
cable tester.
BEHRINGER takes strong objection to your baseless accusation of us stealing
Ebtech's designs. The
layout of the top of the device is simple and functional. There can hardly
be any trademark or trade dress protection which can subsist on this design.
The hardware and software in the product are designed by our own R&D
department independently. We bring to you the analogy of the simple
functional design of an electrical adaptor. We are of the view that this
product is similar and houses no intellectual property rights that is
registrable nor attributable to Ebtech.
If you are aware of any intellectual property protection that subsists in
Ebtech's product, we would appreciate if you can furnish us with the
information for further investigation.
If not, we strongly object to your act of sending such baseless emails which
damage the reputation of BEHRINGER and is defamatory of us and demand that
such actions be stopped immediately. We will pursue all legal action(s)
necessary against such conduct.
Best Regards,
Counsel, Legal & Corporate Affairs
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Just because you see things differently, doesn't make you right.
Peace.
Carmen
VOXVENDOR
New member
I can't believe that they would be so blatent to offer stolen software....
It is probably a credit card scam.... they don't even care if you give them a real email address, as long as they get your credit card number, the item is "yours"
It is probably a credit card scam.... they don't even care if you give them a real email address, as long as they get your credit card number, the item is "yours"
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FenderTL5
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CarmenC said:
Agreeing or disagreeing with me has no bearing whatsoever. Whether or not you see it as hypocrisy only you can decide.
Your responses in this thread indicate that you have no problem with "let the market place decide" yet you practice another set of guidelines regarding your own work. Based on your earlier responses, if you followed "let the market place decide", you would have responded to griffinator with something of this nature: "The market place will determine which version of the song is better and of more value."
It is inconsistant to say, "..that's copyright infringment.." The problem is, you are taking both sides of the same issue. I ignore copyrights when it is to my advantage -&- I copyright my material when it is to my advantage.
I find it hard to believe anyone really has that much inconsistancy in their value system.
Based on that, You seem to be taking an extreme position for the sake of discussion. Which I still believe is only stirring the pot and that's quite alright I guess.
I don't know whether Behringer is guilty or not, of course they will deny it. The evidence is somewhat compelling and they do have a history of this buisness practice. I will not support nor condem Behringer until further facts are known.
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aaronscool
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I have not seen true hippocrasy in CarmenC's arguments. I don't see how patent/product theft is at all the same as Copyright/Song theft. If you don't believe that these are vastly different realms there are volumes of legal texts you could reference that would explain the differences, but probably the most stark difference is it is much easier to prove Copyright infringement than it is to prove product or patent theft.
If you want to boil down this arguement into what is morally correct we'll be here all day. Legally I think there is a good chance that Behringer has broken some laws, but this up to Ebtech and a court of law to decide. If this does not occur then our current economic system pretty much says "let the market decide" in which case Ebtech is screwed.
You can get as mad as you want to at Behringer, but that doesn't change the fact that they are following in the footsteps of thousands of companies in probably millions of instances of this exact same story. It is hippocritical to get upset about this one and not to be equally mad at Mackie for stealing Traynor designs, or everyone in the world for stealing Stratocaster designs, or Ford for stealing Benz designs etc. etc.
Like I said I sympathize with Ebtech and I certainly wish them well, but they need to take action on this because it's their neck on the line...
If you want to boil down this arguement into what is morally correct we'll be here all day. Legally I think there is a good chance that Behringer has broken some laws, but this up to Ebtech and a court of law to decide. If this does not occur then our current economic system pretty much says "let the market decide" in which case Ebtech is screwed.
You can get as mad as you want to at Behringer, but that doesn't change the fact that they are following in the footsteps of thousands of companies in probably millions of instances of this exact same story. It is hippocritical to get upset about this one and not to be equally mad at Mackie for stealing Traynor designs, or everyone in the world for stealing Stratocaster designs, or Ford for stealing Benz designs etc. etc.
Like I said I sympathize with Ebtech and I certainly wish them well, but they need to take action on this because it's their neck on the line...
darrin_h2000
Banned
You were accruate in the sense that I wouldnt spend $75.00 on any peice of software I can easily download from warez. Actually I have downloaded temp tryout versions of these things from the sight , used them for the time period, finished it and told them It just wasnt right for me. I have also done this each time theyve done an upgrade.
Thats how they market the product, Im not a big software fan so 300.00 isnt going to come out of my pocket and into thiers anytime soon. But Everyone gets to try it on for size.
Thats how they market the product, Im not a big software fan so 300.00 isnt going to come out of my pocket and into thiers anytime soon. But Everyone gets to try it on for size.
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CarmenC
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aaronscool said:
I'm glad someone got my point...
Carmen
Fishmed
Well-known member
I agree that it is up to Ebtech to take this matter into court, none of us can fight their battle. I do think that Songs and Software are much as a product as a Cable Tester, and do indeed deserve the right of equal protection for the creator (designer/writer). As it as much the responsibility of Ebtech to defend their product, it would be equally your's to defend your songs.
I think Liftware is MORE in the wrong than Behringer.
Behringer is just walking that fine line as usual.
I think Their R&D stands for Rip-off and Destroy.
They rip off desgins from other companies then destroys those companies by selling that product cheaper.
My thoughts are, if you are going to COPY someone else, at least have some creativity and design your own box.
If I designed a car, say one that runs and looks just like a Mustang, don't you think Ford would have me in a court fast?
It is all the same to me. The bottom line is: Do you have the MONEY to back up your claim?
I think Liftware is MORE in the wrong than Behringer.
Behringer is just walking that fine line as usual.
I think Their R&D stands for Rip-off and Destroy.
They rip off desgins from other companies then destroys those companies by selling that product cheaper.
My thoughts are, if you are going to COPY someone else, at least have some creativity and design your own box.
If I designed a car, say one that runs and looks just like a Mustang, don't you think Ford would have me in a court fast?
It is all the same to me. The bottom line is: Do you have the MONEY to back up your claim?