This song took me about 4 hours total ...

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Some just fall together easily ... almost intuitively you know what you want to hear and you get lucky.

Hope you enjoy.

Best,

Kev-
 
It's not working for me. Just loads a page and doesn't play anything...
 
Generally very good. As usual.

The sounds are all good, except the vocal can get abrasive here and there. A syllable or two can throw an ear dart. It's most noticeable in the intro.

I liked the reverb on the clean guitar. Heavier than the reverb used elsewhere, but it worked well I thought.

Little click or something at 1:10.
 
Yeah ... I've got to walk away from it for a little bit ... too intensive a time spent with it in production so I've got to give the ears a reset. I think there's some low mid fog that could stand a little thinning. It's not terrible. I think it's there, but I don't want to act on it after listening too closely for too long.
 
Don't click on the top link ... for that's the oldest version of this song -- and I'm not sure it works anyways ...

... but I just did a final pass at the mix and it's posted on the Soundcloud link above.

Kev-
 
I would add some ambiance to a couple of the other elements...like you have on that one guitars doing the licks.
Just by itself with reverb, it sounds disconnected from the rest.

Don't put reverb on all tracks...but I would add some to the snare...the vocals....and of course, the lead guitar.
 
No modern recording pays attention to space in same place ... it only pays attention to the resultant sound.

Accordingly, sound is all that matters ... these days ... and most often, only the recording is "the thing".

NOT rebuttal, mere observation.

I do think the snare is a bit dry ... but there's a bit of reverb on the vocals ... subtle, but there -- and thanks for thoughts!

Kev-
 
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Sounds good. The solo part is really cool, and the way chorus kicks in really works. Your voice sort of reminds me of Steely Dan!
 
I've known you since so way back where we met at start of net, that I remember when we both were dealing with learning how to record way back on Artistpro.com in the mid to late 90's. We appear to have overcome a certain obstacle ... which is great because we can instead focus on what we really wanted to do -- which was create and have it appropriately framed in our personal vision. :)

I've a Macle folder from your earliest posts ... because I appreciate songwriting most of all.
 
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K-dub said:
No modern recording pays attention to space in same place ... it only pays attention to the resultant sound.

Accordingly, sound is all that matters ... these days ... and most often, only the recording is "the thing".
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I don't think that's just a characteristic of modern recording, if you are referring to stuff in the last 10 years as "modern".
Manipulating the soundscape with various effects, or for effect, has been going on for quite a long time in recording.

That said...there's IMHO always a consideration in how "space" affects the resultant "sound", since the two are always tied to each other ...so I would never see it as an "anything goes" situation, though I know some folks will feel differently.
Sure, you can have any combination of tracks and simply say..."THAT is my resultant sound...as-is."...but I like to think about what may or may not make the resultant sound work better from a listening experience.
People may not always focus consciously on the music they are listening, and in that regard the recording may seem like it's the only "thing" that counts as you put it...but subconsciously, they are always hearing a lot more, which is why some songs seem to have that "sound" that hits home for a lot of people...and some just don't.

At least that's been my observation....

Mind you, I'm not saying everythign needs the same reverb space applied to it...just that some combinaitons of dry/wet work better than others. :)
 
4 hours? shit, good work :)


the mix seems a little disconnected at the beginning and the snare really sticks out to me for some reason...its like its all missing a bit of glue...when everything's in full flow its a lot less noticeable

Ive got a funny feeling its the drums seeming a bit disconnected from the rest of the mix


not sure how to put it into words better


apart from that the levels sound great to me
 
miroslav said:
I don't think that's just a characteristic of modern recording, if you are referring to stuff in the last 10 years as "modern".
Manipulating the soundscape with various effects, or for effect, has been going on for quite a long time in recording.

That said...there's IMHO always a consideration in how "space" affects the resultant "sound", since the two are always tied to each other ...so I would never see it as an "anything goes" situation, though I know some folks will feel differently.
Sure, you can have any combination of tracks and simply say..."THAT is my resultant sound...as-is."...but I like to think about what may or may not make the resultant sound work better from a listening experience.
People may not always focus consciously on the music they are listening, and in that regard the recording may seem like it's the only "thing" that counts as you put it...but subconsciously, they are always hearing a lot more, which is why some songs seem to have that "sound" that hits home for a lot of people...and some just don't.

At least that's been my observation....

Mind you, I'm not saying everythign needs the same reverb space applied to it...just that some combinaitons of dry/wet work better than others. :)
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EXCELLENT point, M ... and K follows up right on cue with "I've got a funny feeling its the drums seeming a bit disconnected from the rest of the mix." ... because what you were saying is very similar to what his notice was ... he was listening deeper and felt some disjointed "feel" ...

So perhaps "shaping the space so that everything fits appropriately" is where we meet in agreement?

... and thanks for the mention K -- every comment helps define a solution.
 
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So perhaps "shaping the space so that everything fits appropriately" is where we meet in agreement?
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Right.

I never try to give every element in a mix that "same space" sound, which can be OK and would have that vintage vibe...but I do like to "layer" the ambiance with a combination of dry, wet, and dry delay. With the wet, I'll use 2-3 similar, but not identical reverbs, depending on the tracks.

With your track....it is the single, obviously wet guitar on one end, and the really dry drums (particularly the snare) that seem to pull the mix apart and make it a bit disconnected.
So like I mentioned in my first post, I would try some reverb on a couple of other elements (maybe add more to the vocals and add some on snare)...and that would, IMO, help pull it together, and you still have a lot of room to work the mix to your taste.

Otherwise...that's a great job for 4 hours work!
 
I don't know wtf miro is listening to. Or what I'm listening to. The clip I heard has roomy drums way in the back while everything else is relatively dry and up front. Not roomy in the sense that there's a big reverb tail, but roomy like they were recorded with a room mic. I think adding more reverb to the snare will make things worse. I also disagree with the different reverb for every piece idea. I don't know what kind of shows you guys go see, but I've never seen a band with the drummer in another building. But that's just me. I think getting all of your artificial spaces in line with eachother will help the mix.
 
There's a disconnect between the various elements, and IMO, it's all to do with the ambiance differences.
To me it sounds like the drums, the vocals, the keys and the lead guitar were all done in completely different rooms...which in itself might not be bad, but they have to "glue" together somehow.
That's not saying they all need exactly the same ambiance and in the same amount....just that the tracks should connect better AFA the space....IMO.

AFA using different reverbs...as I said, "similar, but not identical"...basically, one a bit short/longer than the other, but the overall reverb flavor is similar...which lets you get more of a 3D layering between them.

I suggest that he maybe add more ambience to the vocals and add "some" on snare (not all the drums)...or the other option would be to take some off the lead guitar and the keys. You have to really do it to taste, and it's hard debating how much without actually doing the mixing. :)
 
Not sure why you want to turn it into a right/wrong debate...?
As I said, it's just my opinion based on what I'm hearing. If you're hearing it differently, then fine, you have your opinion.
I think KC was hearing the same thing...a disconnect.

I would never tell the OP what type or how much reverb to apply...unless I was in the room mixing it with him. :)
Just tossing out some suggestions he can try....or not.
It's still up to him.
 
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