Thickining up guitars?

[mrhotapples]

I like to pan rhythm guitars pretty hard and then send them to a reverb channel mixed in pretty low and about 50% in. Sometimes I'll do the opposite. It sounds good though, it feels more like reverb since the reverb is chillin' out in the back behind the kick and snare and cymbals but the guitars are still wailin' on the sides.

 

[joswil44]

I think this qustion was sorta answered above, but i was wondering, if by putting a "delay" on a second track of the same guitar it meant a delay effect, or sliding it over a little bit?

Cuz i tried just adding some effect last night, and it actually kinda worked, but in retrospect i think people were suggesting that i shift the track over a bit!!

I'd stick to actually applying delay on the duplicated track where you specifically tell it how much delay you want.

Theres not much point in moving a track unless your trying to sync something up that already had a delay in it.

 

[joswil44]

How in the hell is he going to re-amp the track if it's not a clean track? He already said it's high gain guitars. Re-amping already distorted guitars (unless you're just reamping for pre color) will not work. Unless you like hearing crap.

The best suggestion that has already been given is to employ the Haas effect. This is the copying of one track and shifting the copy by some milliseconds to give that "double tracked" feel.

If you have a nice pre, you could also reamp through that. But not through the Line 6 POD.

He can reamp IN HELL and not have to add more gain to it. Its called turning the gain knob down.

Besides, the Modern "High Gain" setting on the POD has much less gain than the Rectifier Setting.

High Gain to a Van Halen fan is differnt to High Gain of a Cannibal Corpse fan.

Its all up to him to figure out using all of the possible solutions we can give him.

Whats the point in shooting down other peoples ideas when you havent even thought it through yourself.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Am I the only one flabbergassed that we're (as of this writing) some 30 hours and 24 posts into this thread and nobody has asked what Chris' definition of "thin" actually is or asked to hear a clip so that they can actually hear what he's talking about?

One man's "thin" is another man's "flabby".

EDIT: Correction. Sonixx actually asked for a clip early on. Smart man

G.

 

[Sonixx]

I think this qustion was sorta answered above, but i was wondering, if by putting a "delay" on a second track of the same guitar it meant a delay effect, or sliding it over a little bit?

Cuz i tried just adding some effect last night, and it actually kinda worked, but in retrospect i think people were suggesting that i shift the track over a bit!!

this is not that good of a solution. you'll find that in some spots the image collapses.

Reggie has the answer...

2nd and last try... will you post a short clip?

 

[Sonixx]

Am I the only one flabbergassed that we're (as of this writing) some 30 hours and 24 posts into this thread and nobody has asked what Chris' definition of "thin" actually is or asked to hear a clip so that they can actually hear what he's talking about?

One man's "thin" is another man's "flabby".

G.

I asked for a clip early on...

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

I asked for a clip early on...

We gotta stop typing at the same time. I already updated my post to reflect that and give your props for it .

G.

 

[Sonixx]

We gotta stop typing at the same time. I already updated my post to reflect that and give your props for it .

G.

sorry...

 

[rayc]

CLIP?
Clone then VST or sim it. Not choice but a choice.
Oh. & post a clip will ya!

 

[Myriad_Rocker]

He can reamp IN HELL and not have to add more gain to it. Its called turning the gain knob down.

Besides, the Modern "High Gain" setting on the POD has much less gain than the Rectifier Setting.

High Gain to a Van Halen fan is differnt to High Gain of a Cannibal Corpse fan.

Its all up to him to figure out using all of the possible solutions we can give him.

Whats the point in shooting down other peoples ideas when you havent even thought it through yourself.

And how do you suggest he re-amp an already high gain track through a POD on a high gain amp model without adding more gain? The point that the "High Gain" setting on a POD has less gain than a Recto is moot.

 

[IronFlippy]

And how do you suggest he re-amp an already high gain track through a POD on a high gain amp model without adding more gain? The point that the "High Gain" setting on a POD has less gain than a Recto is moot.

He might be saying that you can send the track through a clean setting and let the speaker modeling do its work. I can't imagine it would sound much better, but I've never actually tried this so I can't say for certain what the results would be.

I'd say your best bet would be to copy/paste the track and pan them 75% L/R, then apply a delay effect to one of the tracks with a short delay time.

Then you should read this to avoid the situation rising up again:
http://www.badmuckingfastard.com/sound/slipperman.html

 

[ecktronic]

Id play about with the low mids around 100-200 but be wary of them getting muddy.
You could try a mild delay about 5% wet maybe 5% feeedback also.
you could compress them to heel and back to bring out some low mids.
Maybe try 20 attack and 20 release at 2 ratio and a low threshold.

Eck

 

[Chris Jahn]

Umm to answer a few short questions, no at the moment i cant post a clip, although mabye sometime tonight, and to answer glens question, my defintion of thin is more of a feeling, to me thick guitars should be "felt" in the front of the mix, like your standing in front of the amp. Think "real" metal (not metallica) with lots of palm muting, but to me all guitars should be like that, its jsut personal taste. Not as high gain, not even distorted, to me this can be applied to all kinds of music, i just like BIG guitars.

Thin to me is also flat and trebley. A lack of depth if you will. When i comes to high gain guitar sound, i come from the school of rectifiers and scooped eq (but no mud) so that might help with what your trying to get out mof me.

Althoug i aslo LOVE Orange amps when used corectly, but a marshall 900 is kinda wimpy cuz of the solid state pre.

And although i like the stones, to me "that" kind of sound is undesireable.

nuff said

 

[Chris Jahn]

Oh, by the way, ALL of the responces gave me tons of stuff to try, and a lot of it worked so thank you all.

Really the problem was tracking, but lke i said i didnt have a choice in re-tracking this particular situation, so i needed help fixing a crap sound in the mix and like i said, a little bit of this and that from everyone helped.

 

[sumpm1]

You can thicken your guitars by duping them and having a short delay for a "doubled" sound as others have suggested. AND you can eq each of these panned guitars differently to add dimension.