They Let Me Out Of My Cage Early Today

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mixmkr said:
so...isn't anyone going to tell me my tune sucked:(

YOU SUCK!!!























Just kidding,dude.Actually,I can dig your stuff more now than before I flamed it out with you.This is the most assanine thread war yet.I'm very surprised at dobro...
 
Mr. flat-9

Maybe it's the sharp ninth that I like to play on the guitar that sets off our musical tastes?

>MUMBO JUMBO?
>
>Please sir,
>
>Don't insult me!

Only mumbo jumbo when used outside the context in which you know it to be even remotely applicable.
Shuck the insults or perceptions that you have been insulted. Here's a real story. I got my analytic test results back from the laboratory on some industrial waste water. So they run GC on ~30 constituents on a list drawn up by the EPA for funky organics they want to screen from this source. I submit the results- we passed as usual- and I get this nastygram from the regulator that I didn't submit results for 1,3-dichloropropylene, which is a discharge permit requirement. Turns out the lab was just being tidy about their analyses and provided results for the two conformational isomers of 1,3-dichloropropylene but happened to call out these compounds by their other (more current IUPAC designation) name, cis and trans-1,3-dichloropropene. The results for both isomers were zero and the compound exists in either one state or the other. So 0 + 0 = 0.

All I ask is that you don't get caught up trying to overanalyze my music. If you do- bring some better complaints. :)

>This "mumbo jumbo" that you refer to is elementary to the vocabulary of a >musician and is applicable to the analysis of
>all styles & genres of music, inclusive of 21st century contemporary
>expressionism.

OOPS! You missed one at least...

>And to think 'JacKerouac HRC' was a stretch to far to the 'left' for this board.......hmmmmmm.

Not too far out for me... but I won't go into it here, but in your thread.

>I'm gonna have to listen to this a few more times to check for a tonal center

And the search for this center in something you can't say is tonal or atonal is supposed to mean what?

>......melodic developement........harmonic continuity.............emotional content........hold on... NOPE!

Others, myself included have found the emotional content, but they weren't focused on an Iraqi WMD search for weapons of mass harmonious discontinuity.

>Other than the rhythmic imitation and developement which was assumingly inadvertant.......none of the above is apparent after 10 listens.

Why do you assume the development was inadvertent?

>PLEASE CLUE ME IN!!! GIVE ME AN INKLING AS TO COMPOSITIONAL CONCEPTION >& OBJECTIVE or if you were attempting "serialism", or simply letting loose with >some freestyle after being released from the cage.

I think I answered that one in this thread! :)
 
Re: Mr. flat-9

Originally posted by drstawl I think I answered that one in this thread! :) [/B]

Where?

Maybe somewhere in this thread, sir, but not in your latest post ! :confused:

Ya' know what? Fugettaboutit! I just listened to a ton of a yo' shit, read a bunch of yo' past posts through the search engine here, and have come to the conclusion that ................ah, fuck it, I gotta go to bed!

nite, catcha lata
 
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you were attempting "serialism", or simply letting loose with some freestyle after being released from the cage.
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That sounds close enough for government work!

Thanks for checking it out!

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Thanks again!!
 
I just got high and now I love everyone...
 

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Oh man.

Geez if 9's comments constitutes an attack on your work you are trippin bro. I didn't want to say it before but there is nothing to defend here dr. If you had just let it be treated like a joke and people enjoying your personality everything would be fine but going after everyone all serious like?

Look, what you posted was a piece of crap. I really didn't want to say it.

I could write 30 pieces just like it in an hour (and im not a keys player). It seems like you did the same, got home from work slammed something out and shared it. Fair nuff. It also appears like you put close to zero thought behind it. You sound like a very intelligent guy and I know if you put up sincere stuff it would probably rock but i don't believe this is it, this is just smoke and mirrors to me man. Sorry :(


p.s. who in gods name fived this?
 
Dobro... I know you're tryin' to stir things up for fun, so I'll just say this...

we could do the whole "you didn't understand my point!!!" --- "No,... YOU didn't understand MY point" thing back and forth till Jesus comes back, and neither of us will ever be the slightest bit better off. (or gain the slightest bit of understanding)

I have no problems of conscience when it comes to this clinic. There isn't a single thing that happens on the internet that rises to a level of importance that is relevant to my conscience (or any other meaningful aspect of my life). I also have no problems with criticism around here. I've made just as many "good" posts as "bad" posts when critiquing music in the clinic.

I've said everything so far with pretty much an indifferent attitude. If you want to read more into what I've said so far, be my guest.


btw... I did read your post. :p and I still disagree with some of your claims.



WATYF
 
oh yeah... I did want to chime in aboot one of the things that Sam touched on... since I agreed with him again.. and because it's a point I brought up twice that I think is kind of relevant to the conversation.

About that whole "dumb it down" comment... I'll do a little implication analysis (much like you did with Sam's post).

To say that you had to "dumb it down" so that people like your parents would like it implies that they're "dumber" than you musically. It implies that your music is of a "smarter" or possibly "better" taste than the music they like, or are capable of liking. And since they're too "dumb" to enjoy it in it's natural state... you had to "dumb it down" in an attempt to appeal to their "dumber" tastes. This is the logical implication of that statement.

Even if that's not what you're saying, (since I'm sure you'll respond by saying that I misunderstood some minutia of your "point" and therefore everything I said is irrelevant :p) I still would like to address that attitude (since it surely exists in the music community at large).

This is the very attitude that I was warning against in my earlier post. The attitude that says, "if you don't like MY stuff... it's cause YOU'RE just not "smart" enough" (or "refined" enough, or "sophisticated" enough, or what have you). This is nonsense.... and arrogant, I might add... oh yes... and ignorant. (I will explain these later.) This implies that the writer/arteest is incapable of writing bad music, and that it's always the listener's fault when the music is received negatively. It doesn't always start with that implication... but as the "arteest" lets this attitude take root in their mind, it eventually does end up being the dominant mindset.

This is nonsense because... well... it is. That's just foolish and anyone with common sense can see that. It's arrogant because it sets the arteest up as some kind of universal standard that everyone on planet earth must agree with or else they're "dumber". And it's ignorant because it is incredibly hypocritical and closed-minded... I mean... who the f#©k are you to say that your parents musical taste is "dumber" than yours... and that their styles of music aren't as "smart" as yours? Aren't you, in essence, saying that their music is "bad art" by implication... or at least that your "art" is so much better than theirs, that you have to "dumb" your art down just so it will sound more like their "dumber" type of music?

This is where we get into the arena of artistic self-delusion and arrogance. If you EVER respond to criticism by implying that it is in ANY way the fault of the listener... then you are in danger of ending up like this.

You see... some art just plain sucks... and it's the fault of the arteest alone. Maybe they just aren't that good... Maybe they got so arrogant, that they lost touch with reality. (i.e. the Emperor's New Clothes) Maybe they have a few good, inspired works... but some of their other songs are nothing more than "fillers" that they barfed out because they felt like putting something on paper that day. Who knows...



But you should always be open to every type of criticism. If someone’s just trying to flame you or be belligerent, then that’s usually pretty obvious, so who cares. But if a bunch of people are rather calmly just telling you that it's not very good, then maybe you should just move on to the next song, or try to make some improvements to the current song, instead of just blaming it on the listener.

The goal here is to make better music... and shutting out criticism, or even trying to "disqualify" criticism as being "uninformed", will make that task all the more difficult.


WATYF




P.S. I also agree that it's the comments made here that have stirred things up. I don't think the music has had much to do with it. :p
 
I....c..cant.... t.t...take the............pain!... T...t...rying to ... fffffffeel... my legs but ...cant!....??!!??!?!?!
 
Since this type of thread has happened in response to Doc's stuff many times (at least in my experience) on this board, is it reasonable to assume that these pieces are indeed defined by the invariable flame war that follows? Is doc just inciting folks? Does the thread's contention in some ironic way reflect the feelings he put into the music? Who knows. Whatever.

This music (or "music" in quotes?) provides contrast. It provokes threads like this. Does that contrast provide the music's value? By hearing something like this, how does one's perception of structured music change?

With structured music, comparisons are easy. It's easy to know what's good, and what sucks. I submit that with this type of music (or "music" in quotes), there are no viable means of comparison. Reminds me of modern art. One person's scribble is no better than another person's. But two drawings of the same object can be compared quite fairly. Realize this rules out greatness as well as lousiness when talking about works of this abstract type.


BTW - Good to be back; missed yous guys. Will be back in limited form listening to the great stuff here on el clinico magnifico. (plz send any personal messages to PMs ;))

Chad
 
Well, considering everything that been hashed out in this thread all I can add is that while I didn't dig the dr's song, and I totally disagree with his political point of view anybody who likes cats is OK in my book. ;)
 
my jack russells like cats... I don't... ... now pussy....aah...
 
M.Brane said:
Well, considering everything that been hashed out in this thread all I can add is that while I didn't dig the dr's song, and I totally disagree with his political point of view anybody who likes cats is OK in my book. ;)

Thanks for your support. It's an expensive proposition getting involved with two full grown cats, but I did it. While I don't ask for financial support- emotional support is welcome.
 
Sorry for being late here


Man Doc...........

I've heard a few of your other compositions and after listening to this...............


I think you've sold out and gone Pop on us.


This seems tame to me compared to your other stuff because of the instruments used (I think)
It just isn't as abrasive as a few of the oldies.

Interesting as always.

Recorded nicely.

jcmm
 
jcmm said:
Sorry for being late here
Man Doc...........
I've heard a few of your other compositions and after listening to this...............
I think you've sold out and gone Pop on us.
This seems tame to me compared to your other stuff because of the instruments used (I think)
It just isn't as abrasive as a few of the oldies.
Interesting as always.
Recorded nicely.
jcmm

Thanks! Actually abrasive-wise, I thought it was up there with my most dense and troubling pieces.

Gone pop? What am I gonna wear? One 18" gauntlet neoprene glove on my left hand? Maybe I should throw chunks of hazardous waste at the fans.

I'm not trying to be as abrasive as I can muster: mixmkr has that all wrapped up with that clipped portion of his piece.

But according to this thread- it was at least emotionally and/or intellectually abrasive if not technically as abrasive as possible.
We're talking belts of 40 grit!
They should be glad I can't find my "It's Raining in Hell" .mp3...
:)
 
one star

I give this one star.

It sounds like a lifeless machine thats been programmed to sound like a piano out of tune.

Sorry, but this is just out and out shit and an insult to musicians the world over who actully PLAY and not Program.

Ozzy Osbourne once mailed a popular hotel chain to have them remove the self playing piano instead of hiring a real person to play it. This is probably what he was hearing.

you can call this brilliant all you want, this is crap and doesnt even sound real.

1 star.
 
Haha, looks like all the recent brouhaha has awakened a "satirical" troll.

What is it about people using a fake-screen name that makes them think they're fooling everyone.
 
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