The Soundproofing Thread, aka No Noise Outside

[spiderman2812]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm. sorry but you sound like a bit of an asshole also I'm trying to learn shit here to but i don't need some one like you cramming it down my throat. Goo luck chill with the project

 

[RICK FITZPATRICK]

I'm trying to learn shit here to but i don't need some one like you cramming it down my throat.

What the fuck are you talking about. You come on someone elses thread and read answers that don't apply to you, and then get pissed because you can't afford to do what we suggest, and then have the fucking audacity to say we're cramming it down your throat?



















I got news for you pal......

 

[Rod Gervais]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm. sorry but you sound like a bit of an asshole also I'm trying to learn shit here to but i don't need some one like you cramming it down my throat.

Spider,

I have no idea what your problem is - but Fitz gave some good advice.

Proper isolation costs money - the more isolation required - the more money it costs. It's that simple.

I am amazed by the number of people who come on boards like these and say they spent a bunch of money and are not satisfied with the results.

We work through things with them and find that they didn't follow the basics...... they didn't caulk where they should have - they didn't use putty pads where they should have - they created 3 leaf walls where they should have had 2 leaf walls - and in the end they have a choice, they can tear things apart to fix them - or they can live with the fact that they threw a lot of money away.

Fitz is right - if you can't afford it you can't afford it. But that doesn't make him a bad guy for trying to make certain that the person who asked the questions (this isn't your thread - so he was dealing with someone else) got all of the information he needed to make an intelligent - informed - descision on how he wanted to proceed.

If you don't like what Fitz has to say - you aren't being forced to read his posts........ but as long as his posts are right on the money you should ignore what you don't want - and take what you do.

Remember - he's spending his time free of charge to try to help someone asking questions........ he deserves a pat on the back for that - not to have his face spit in.

Sincerely,

Rod

 

[The Ghost of FM]

Well, I just wanted to thank Rick and Ron for their very helpful information and especially the links to the external documents elsewhere on the web.

I'm going to be moving soon into an apartment and want to try my damnedest to have a decently workable environment to record and mix in that doesn't destroy the building's walls and keeps my neighbors from calling the cops on me!

I too am working with a very tight and low budget but thankfully do have 9 office divider panels that have a solid wood core, mineral wool on both sides with a fabric covering them. Each one weighs about 50 pounds and is primarily designed to cut down on vocal range sound but, it's all I've got to work with for now as I can't see myself putting up extra layers of drywall with layers of rock wool in between in a rented apartment. I'll have one wall that I'll put them on which is the adjoining wall to my next door neighbor and I believe there is an 6" concrete slab wall in between us...I'll let you guys know how it works out.

Thanks again, guys!

Cheers!

 

[RICK FITZPATRICK]

Hey Ghost, good luck with the new apartment. I know you've been working on this move thing for quite a while. I know the feeling too. This last move almost killed me That was almost two years ago and I'm STILL unpacking shit. This weekend I FINALLY started getting all the little details on my console finished up. I'll post some pics real soon.
fitZ

 

[Chill]

Now SCREW or hold up a second or more layer with perimeter wood cleats, screwed to the joists.

You're talking about something like screwing a 2x2 cleat to the joist, then screw one or more layers of sheetrock to the cleat?

Would angling the sheetrock help dissipate the sound inside the room? I.e. so that at one point on the joist it's, say, 2" from the bottom, while at another point it's, say, 4" from the bottom, then back to 2, and then 4, and so on.

Again, Resiliant channel, and Risc clip on hat channel are two options. The latter being the better of the two, although more expensive and time consuming, although it will also carry more weight...HVAC ducting to other rooms and ANY duct connections to the basement with these same ducts must be addressed.

Yar, here's where we get into the tricky bit. Several 7" HVAC pipes go across the joists immediately under them. I might convert them to 4" pipe or try to find a rectangular pipe which is 4" deep. Hanging the ceiling at 7" below the joists is too low for guys like me...4" is more like it although even that may be too much for the whole room.

Hence, my desire to wrap the piping in some kind of mass so that the HVAC is on the outside of the room and not acting as a conduit for sound (100dB coming out of the vents and cold air returns would make this whole thing an exercise in futility!)

Tell us some more about your plans and what exists and we will try to illuminate some dark corners.
fitZ

Once I get the hung ceilings out of the basement I'll take some pics, and once I have 'net access at home I'll post them someplace, and we'll save thousands of words!

C