The New Tone Thread

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minerman said:
Sure man, everyone has their influences...I'm sure it shows more/less from player to player depending on the person, but I'm sure it's there for everyone...

I play a lot of the same style you do Greg, I'm really not into complicated, shreddy-type stuff simply because I can't play it. I play mostly blues-based stuff myself. At one time I tried to get into the neo-classical stuff (late 80's...:facepalm:), & tried to learn some of that shit, but it never fit into the music I was playing live, so I just stopped going down that road.

Someone I've always admired as a guitarist is Tom Keifer (Cinderella's lead singer)....I know, I know some of the stuff they did back in the day is the hair-metal you hate (and some of that stuff I happen to love...:)), but his guitar work seemed he always tried to have some bluesy-based stuff injected into it...That's just one of the top of my head, there are lots more like that, but he just came to mind because of the bluesy stuff he does....
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Your style to me does have an 70s/80s rock feel to it. That aint a bad thing. It's where you come from. But instead of wailing hair glammy shit, you play a lot of riffs. Almost always the first thing that pops into my head when I hear your style is Joe Perry. I don't know if you like him or not, but that's what it seems like to me. Early Aerosmith riffs. Bluesy, not blazing fast, but very riffy. Good riffs.

In other news, I have a gig tomorrow night at a place that doesn't often have bands. They have a mediocre PA which will probably be used for vocals and kick/snare only. This excites me because it means I'll probably get to fill the room with amp alone. :)
 
Just back from the gig. I have to say the JVM sounded absolutely fucking wicked. My main tone is crunch channel orange with the gain almost full. It's perfect for most of what we do. I click up to crunch red for the Pistols stuff. I still had a couple of iffy moments with the switch, but it's mostly because I want to use all the amp's functionality and my foot dexterity isn't quite there yet.

Stan (the van) got a flat tyre on the way home. I am pleased to report that my manly-man skills are still up to scratch and I sorted it myself at the side of the road.
 
Greg_L said:
In other news, I have a gig tomorrow night at a place that doesn't often have bands. They have a mediocre PA which will probably be used for vocals and kick/snare only. This excites me because it means I'll probably get to fill the room with amp alone. :)
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That's how I like it, too! :D
 
Greg_L said:
Your style to me does have an 70s/80s rock feel to it. That aint a bad thing. It's where you come from. But instead of wailing hair glammy shit, you play a lot of riffs. Almost always the first thing that pops into my head when I hear your style is Joe Perry. I don't know if you like him or not, but that's what it seems like to me. Early Aerosmith riffs. Bluesy, not blazing fast, but very riffy. Good riffs.
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Thanks man, I do play mostly bluesy based stuff, again, simply because I can't play anything else. I tried to get into the classical-shred thing when I was about 18 or so, but it just didn't work for me, because that shit really doesn't fit into any song I'd wanna play. For me, the guitar parts help make the song, not the other way around...

Being compared to early Joe Perry is actually a pretty high compliment to me Greg. His later stuff I don't care for at all, when they got all commercialized, but the earlier, raw, "real" stuff he/they did was/is great IMO...That's weird you mentioned him because I just watched a couple vids of him & Jimmy Page last night....


Greg_L said:
In other news, I have a gig tomorrow night at a place that doesn't often have bands. They have a mediocre PA which will probably be used for vocals and kick/snare only. This excites me because it means I'll probably get to fill the room with amp alone. :)
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For about 90% of the gigs I played over a period of 15 years or so that's what we always did. Only at a "big" gig (usually an outdoor thing, or a once a year thing like New Year's Eve or something) we hardly ever mic'd our amps. The last band I was in did use triggers on the drums every gig, but we had enough stage volume from our amps to keep up & then some, that's just how I've always played live myself. If/when we did mic our amps, we were going to be really loud, compared to what we usually were...


Bubba po said:
Just back from the gig. I have to say the JVM sounded absolutely fucking wicked. My main tone is crunch channel orange with the gain almost full. It's perfect for most of what we do. I click up to crunch red for the Pistols stuff. I still had a couple of iffy moments with the switch, but it's mostly because I want to use all the amp's functionality and my foot dexterity isn't quite there yet.
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It's just gonna take some time for you to get used to the footswitch Bubba, you'll get there man. I remember those days when I'd get a new piece of gear, & it'd take me a little while to get it smoothed out, you'll get there man...

Bubba po said:
Stan (the van) got a flat tyre on the way home. I am pleased to report that my manly-man skills are still up to scratch and I sorted it myself at the side of the road.
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I always keep a small floor jack with a 1/2" drive socket, ratchet & extension in my vehicle, no matter what. I also have a 1/2" drive power handle just in case the ratchet fucks up on me. I've gotta say, the last place I worked was notorious for busting tires (gravel/dirt road, where the gravels were as big as my fist, which popped tires like they were balloons, they'd rock the road for the tandem coal trucks that were hauling from the mine to the prep plant, & didn't give a flying fuck about our tires/vehicles), I got pretty damn fast at changing a tire. It was usually dark (never failed, on the way home at night), on top of a mountain where there were bears, wolves, coyotes, & who knows what else, so I made it a point not to be out there any longer than I had to....
 
Wow, that is pretty cool Bob...Wonder how much that thing costs??? I'm betting it's quite expensive, at the bottom of the page, you can e-mail 'em for a price....Sounds good IMO, & is pretty cool to see everything working together like that...
 
yeah, it's gotta cost a buttload ... but it really does sound good.
if I was in a steampunk band I'd have to have it.

Now we need a kerosene powered Marshall!
 
Lt. Bob said:
yeah, it's gotta cost a buttload ... but it really does sound good.
if I was in a steampunk band I'd have to have it.
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Yeah man, I'm sure it's expensive as fuck, but it does sound good. Is it me, or does that thing have kind of an old, vintage uni-vibe sound to it???


Lt. Bob said:
Now we need a kerosene powered Marshall!
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Nah dude, not kerosene for our Marshalls, we'd need hi-octane jet fuel...:laughings:.
 
minerman said:
Would that be a RAT clone????:)
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:D

Yeah!

Seriously though...while that ZVEX contraption is WAY cool, you can get the same effect easier, with a couple of amps and mics. I'm talking about that "vibrophase" effect.
I just did some guitar tracks and I wasn't really going for that...but I then realized that's what I could do.

You need two amps with tremolo circuits.
Spread them (or their cabs) a few feet apart, but I think you don't want to go more than say...6 feet, because you want some bleed/overlap. Now, mic each cab with it's own mic, send each mic to its own track.

My original goal was to set the tremolo to the song tempo...which I was able to do pretty darn close, same as you might do with a delay. Then I figured I would match temp also with the other amp...which I did, and it sounded really great, panning each mic/track, one hard L and the other R...it's a WAY HUGE effect....but then, I thought why NOT change the speed of the tremolo on one amp so that it didn't match the tempo or the other tremolo.

Instant "vibrophase. :)

I ended up having one tremolo a touch faster than the tempo, and the other a touch slower than the tempo, and of course, the speed difference are purely taste dependent, though if you ARE trying to sync to the song tempo, you want to stay close, with slight +/- offsets on each tremolo.
That's how I recorded them, and since these were both tube tremolo circuits, not some digital/precise tremolo...the small speed fluctuations individually, plus the speed differences between the two tremolos makes for a constant vib/phase variation in small amounts, which sounds very rich, kinda chorus-y, but not really, since there are no delays/repeats...it's just the two coming together, crossing each other, and coming apart.

Anyway...if you have two tremolo amps (or, I guess some pedals...the analog ones will have that analog drift)...it's pretty easy to set up in your studio....but not something you're going to want to do for a gig. :p
 
miroslav said:
Seriously though...while that ZVEX contraption is WAY cool, you can get the same effect easier
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Yes you can. That's why I ordered an Electronic Orange Moon-Vibe MKII a few months ago. When it finally arrives I'll lay down some tones with it.
 
Bubba po said:
No JVM tones as yet, but this is a lead tone from my Marshall 50w Valvestate amp. Lead Channel, "The Gobshite" guitar, all tones and volumes at 12 o'clock

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Pretty nice Bubba, I had the 100w Valvestate head & matching 4x12's for a few years, gigged it a lot, & it held up pretty well for me...



ocnor said:
I ordered an Electronic Orange Moon-Vibe MKII a few months ago. When it finally arrives I'll lay down some tones with it.
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Nice sounding pedal man, I've always been a fan of the uni-vibe. I bought a Danelectro Cool Cat Vibe for about $40, that does ok, but it doesn't sound as nice as this one...
 
ocnor said:
Yes you can. That's why I ordered an Electronic Orange Moon-Vibe MKII a few months ago.
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Very nice!
What's that going for?
Since you say "ordered a few months ago"...I take it that it's still in production?

Anway...that sounds like great vibe pedal, one might find it's way on my pedal shelf...:thumbs up:...
...but if you have a pair of amps with tremolo circuits, try out my dual tremolo with the speed offset technique.
It's different from the vibe pedal tone.
 
miroslav said:
Very nice!
What's that going for?
Since you say "ordered a few months ago"...I take it that it's still in production?

Anway...that sounds like great vibe pedal, one might find it's way on my pedal shelf...:thumbs up:...
...but if you have a pair of amps with tremolo circuits, try out my dual tremolo with the speed offset technique.
It's different from the vibe pedal tone.
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From the quick search I did Miro, looks like about $200...Great sounding pedal IMO, I've always liked uni-vibes, & this one sounds really good to me...I've heard other people talk about the Moen Shaky Vibe & the MXR vibe, but I've never tried/heard them in person...

FWIW, my cheap Danelectro does an ok job, but it has it's weak points IMO, but, for $40 I didn't expect it to be great...It's usable, but not great....
 
miroslav said:
Very nice!
What's that going for?
Since you say "ordered a few months ago"...I take it that it's still in production?

Anway...that sounds like great vibe pedal, one might find it's way on my pedal shelf...:thumbs up:...
...but if you have a pair of amps with tremolo circuits, try out my dual tremolo with the speed offset technique.
It's different from the vibe pedal tone.
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It costs a little over $250 depending on the Euro exchange rate plus shipping. He builds them by hand so it takes several months to get one. Mine is supposed to be finished so I should get it shortly.
 
Bubba po said:
No JVM tones as yet, but this is a lead tone from my Marshall 50w Valvestate amp. Lead Channel, "The Gobshite" guitar, all tones and volumes at 12 o'clock

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I think that sounds really good on its own, Bubba. It does seem like the sort of thing that might get a bit lost if there was a lot of thick rhythm playing behind it. But if that was just over a bassline with some drums I reckon it would sound great.

Does sound like it was fucking loud in the room. Was it?
 
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