The New Tone Thread

[JDOD]

sounds pretty good .... as greg said .... not muddy or too dark ..... .... depending on the mix and how many gits you track it might work as is ..... it's pretty full so you're not gonna be layering a butt load of guitars with this tone .... doesn't leave room for anything else .... and sometimes that's what you want.

Nice

Nah, its not gonna multi-layered with four guitars panned left and right playing different shit like I usually do.

The rhythm is panned about 40L, the only other thing I'll be adding is a solo panned about 40R.

This isn't a song as such, its more of a practice piece. I'm trying to spend some time learning to record shit properly before I spend too much time re-recording any more of my songs. I've only got one re-tracked to my satisfaction so far. Greg's heard it and said it was pretty good, although I might decide to re-track that again now too.

 

[minerman]

Clip sounds pretty good Jdude, as mentioned it possibly could use a little top-end boost, but it sounds fine as-is....

 

[Greg_L]

Here's something exceptionally cheesy while playing around with the JVM just now....a little clean to raunchy channel switch. There's kind of a lot (for me) going on here so....

Gibson SG Gregburst (this is it's official name now) - P-90 bridge
Marshall JVM410
Master vol - 5

Clean section:
Crunch channel - Green mode
Bass - 8.5
Mid - 3.5
Treb - 5
Gain - 4
Channel vol - 7
Reverb - 7
Effects loop on - TC Flashback Delay

Dirty part:
OD2 channel - Orange mode
Bass - 8
Mid - 8
Treb - 3
Gain - 3
Channel vol - 6
Reverb - 2
Effects loop on - TC Flashback Delay

Marshall 1960A - Celestion G12-65
SM 57 on axis, about 6" off grill, just outside dustcap
No EQ or FX in DAW

I Close my Eyes and I Slit My Wrist

 

[minerman]

Sounds good Greg, might be a little brighter than what I'm used to hearing from you, but still sounds pretty good...Gonna go grab a bite to eat, be back in a little while...

 

[Tadpui]

Ok, for my next failed trick, I think I'm gonna try to coax some Johnny Thunders-ish "cranked Fender" tones out of this JVM. So I'm gonna start with the clean channel, high gain mode, and we'll see how this goes for starters. Yall let me know what you think. It's been a very long time since I've been in front of a real cranked Fender combo, so keep "Fender amp" in mind, gimme some ideas, and forget that it's a modern Marshall.

Gibson SG Gregburst - P-90 bridge pickup
Marshall JVM 410
Clean Channel - Red Mode
Bass - 10
Mid - 7
Treb - 2.5
Gain - 5.5
Ch vol - 6
Master vol - 5
Reverb - 7
Presence - 5
Resonance - 0
Marshall 1960A 4x12 - Celestion G12-65
Shure SM 57 on axis, 1" off grill, just outside of dustcap
No EQ or FX in DAW

Amp personality crisis

Hahaha, I just heard that song on the pilot for the series Vinyl on HBO. I used to play that in a band a long time ago, it was one of our favorite songs to do. I think it sounds like great '70s rock guitar tone. Not sure about the Fender part of the sound. Maybe it's the low mids that are still decidedly Marshall. Maybe it could pass as the Bassman that the early Marshalls were patterned after? Sweet tone though.

 

[Lt. Bob]

lol ..... liking the flipping the sound on and off at the end.
That is a bit bright for you ...... at the very first I thought maybe you were taking another shot at the Fender thing but it quickly became clear that wasn't it.

Sounds good ..... those amps seem impossible to get an actually bad sound out of.

 

[Tadpui]

Here's a similar rhythm tone to what I've been working on recently but used in a full hairy leather trousers context (miner will love it!). Its for a lead exercise I've been working on, playing lead in A Minor instead of E Minor (which comes far more naturally to me having use The Black Album to learn lead when I was 17!).

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Not sure it quite works - too much gain maybe? Too much of a modern tone for the style? There's something I'm not happy with but I can't quite put my finger on it - it might just be the slightly sloppy playing 'cos my hands were freezing when I recorded it. I'm more concerned with the lead tone I'm gonna be using for this but I haven't worked it out yet or mastered the lead lines I'm gonna be playing - I can't keep the speed up without getting massive aches in a my left forearm!

My gut reaction is that it's too much gain. I think that the tone is fine, maybe could use some upper-end excitement, but since its a rhythm tone I think it'd work in the mix. I think that will less gain, it'd hold together better and feel a little tighter.

 

[Tadpui]

Here's something exceptionally cheesy while playing around with the JVM just now....a little clean to raunchy channel switch. There's kind of a lot (for me) going on here so....

Gibson SG Gregburst (this is it's official name now) - P-90 bridge
Marshall JVM410
Master vol - 5

Clean section:
Crunch channel - Green mode
Bass - 8.5
Mid - 3.5
Treb - 5
Gain - 4
Channel vol - 7
Reverb - 7
Effects loop on - TC Flashback Delay

Dirty part:
OD2 channel - Orange mode
Bass - 8
Mid - 8
Treb - 3
Gain - 3
Channel vol - 6
Reverb - 2
Effects loop on - TC Flashback Delay

Marshall 1960A - Celestion G12-65
SM 57 on axis, about 6" off grill, just outside dustcap
No EQ or FX in DAW

I Close my Eyes and I Slit My Wrist

I love that crunchy clean tone. I've seen Bob say several times how he prefers his cleans sparkling clean, but this is how I love clean tones to sound. Just on the cusp of breakup, lots of bite to them. That'd even be a great tone for just hammering away on barre chords. It sounds more Fender-y to me than the last clip

 

[Lt. Bob]

I love that crunchy clean tone. I've seen Bob say several times how he prefers his cleans sparkling clean, but this is how I love clean tones to sound. Just on the cusp of breakup, lots of bite to them.

well, I've retreated on that a bit ..... I still like a clean that's pretty damned clean but I have started letting a small amount of tweed-style breakup to creep into some of my clean tones. Especially when I'm doing a three piece thing .... it just fills in better.

BUT I don't see how that last clip from greg could be called just on the cusp of breakup ..... it sounds pretty dirty to me .... well into breakup.

That just shows how differently folks hear things.
Not saying better or worse mind you .... just that we're hearing different things.

A couple of years ago i sat in on a local guitarists' rig .... a REALLY good guitarist .... one of the top 4 or 5 I've ever played with ..... just a bad-ass .... anyway he was using a deVille and some pedal multifx .... he showed me his main sounds so I could navigate them and I'll never forget he showed me "number 8 is my clean sound" .... and I hit a country chord and holy crap it was dirty!!
Easily play Santana leads with it.

I remember telling him, "In what universe is that clean?"

 

[Greg_L]

Sounds good Greg, might be a little brighter than what I'm used to hearing from you, but still sounds pretty good...Gonna go grab a bite to eat, be back in a little while...

Thanks miner. It is a little bright, but I like it. I think it's probably because the mic is backed way off. I don't usually mic from that far away, but I think it sounds pretty decent.

Hahaha, I just heard that song on the pilot for the series Vinyl on HBO. I used to play that in a band a long time ago, it was one of our favorite songs to do. I think it sounds like great '70s rock guitar tone. Not sure about the Fender part of the sound. Maybe it's the low mids that are still decidedly Marshall. Maybe it could pass as the Bassman that the early Marshalls were patterned after? Sweet tone though.

Thanks dude. It's a cool song from a cool band. Yeah, Bassman, I'll pretend that's what I was gong for. Nailed it!

lol ..... liking the flipping the sound on and off at the end.
That is a bit bright for you ...... at the very first I thought maybe you were taking another shot at the Fender thing but it quickly became clear that wasn't it.

Sounds good ..... those amps seem impossible to get an actually bad sound out of.

Thanks Boob. Yeah I lost interest with the Fender attempts. I assure you though, I CAN make bad sounds with it.

I love that crunchy clean tone. I've seen Bob say several times how he prefers his cleans sparkling clean, but this is how I love clean tones to sound. Just on the cusp of breakup, lots of bite to them. That'd even be a great tone for just hammering away on barre chords. It sounds more Fender-y to me than the last clip

Thanks again. The crunch channel on this amp sounds pretty JCM 800-ish. That slight breakup cleanish sound is pretty similar to a dialed back 800.

 

[Greg_L]

BUT I don't see how that last clip from greg could be called just on the cusp of breakup ..... it sounds pretty dirty to me .... well into breakup.

I call it clean-ish. I know it's not pristine clean, but in my world, that's pretty clean. Like you said, it's pretty much all relative. When I switch channels in that clip, then it gets really dirty.

 

[Tadpui]

well, I've retreated on that a bit ..... I still like a clean that's pretty damned clean but I have started letting a small amount of tweed-style breakup to creep into some of my clean tones. Especially when I'm doing a three piece thing .... it just fills in better.

BUT I don't see how that last clip from greg could be called just on the cusp of breakup ..... it sounds pretty dirty to me .... well into breakup.

That just shows how differently folks hear things.
Not saying better or worse mind you .... just that we're hearing different things.

A couple of years ago i sat in on a local guitarists' rig .... a REALLY good guitarist .... one of the top 4 or 5 I've ever played with ..... just a bad-ass .... anyway he was using a deVille and some pedal multifx .... he showed me his main sounds so I could navigate them and I'll never forget he showed me "number 8 is my clean sound" .... and I hit a country chord and holy crap it was dirty!!
Easily play Santana leads with it.

I remember telling him, "In what universe is that clean?"

Hehe yeah, agreed. It's certainly far from clean, but not quite what I'd call crunch. I've always loved that point where if you play easy it cleans up and if you dig into it, it breaks up. I guess that's why I consider it on the edge of breakup.

I can imagine what was racing through your mind when you tried that dude's "clean" tone All of these thoughts of "how the hell to I get into those settings and dial that back about 8 notches". And "will he notice?"

 

[minerman]

The crunch channel on this amp sounds pretty JCM 800-ish. That slight breakup cleanish sound is pretty similar to a dialed back 800.

Wasn't the JVM loosely designed around the JCM800 dude, or is that just something I read somewhere that ins't true???

 

[Greg_L]

Wasn't the JVM loosely designed around the JCM800 dude, or is that just something I read somewhere that ins't true???

No it's true. I wouldn't say it's designed around an 800 because the JVM is like NASA Mission Control inside and the JCM 800 is like a Model A, but they're in the same tone ballpark. Except for the clean channel, it's pretty much 800-ish. The Crunch channel is pretty true to JCM 800s without quite having the vintage KERRANG! that real 800s get. The OD channels are like molten hot 800s. OD1 Green is pretty close to a stock 800 set to kill.

 

[minerman]

No it's true. I wouldn't say it's designed around an 800 because the JVM is like NASA Mission Control inside and the JCM 800 is like a Model A, but they're in the same tone ballpark. Except for the clean channel, it's pretty much 800-ish. The Crunch channel is pretty true to JCM 800s without quite having the vintage KERRANG! that real 800s get. The OD channels are like molten hot 800s. OD1 Green is pretty close to a stock 800 set to kill.

I knew the guts of those amps are way different, I was just referring to the tones they both have....

Cool, I don't remember where I read that, might've been the Marshall forum, & that's probably why I asked to get the truth about it.....

 

[Greg_L]

I knew the guts of those amps are way different, I was just referring to the tones they both have....

Cool, I don't remember where I read that, might've been the Marshall forum, & that's probably why I asked to get the truth about it.....

The designer, that Santiago guy, he says they based it on a JCM 800. The idea was to have like an unlimited JCM 800. They did pretty good. I'd say it's the best fancy amp of of Marshall's modern era. It's got tons of useful features, sounds great, and they've been bullet-proof so far. It really doesn't have any shortcomings....except for all those damn ugly knobs...and the price for a new one.

But even with all that greatness, it's still not the one I grab for gigs. I love playing with it at home and recording it, but out live, my JCM 800 or the JMP 2204 gets the most use. The 100w Plexi too. Probably the 800 gets the most use live.

 

[minerman]

The designer, that Santiago guy, he says they based it on a JCM 800. The idea was to have like an unlimited JCM 800. They did pretty good. I'd say it's the best fancy amp of of Marshall's modern era. It's got tons of useful features, sounds great, and they've been bullet-proof so far. It really doesn't have any shortcomings....except for all those damn ugly knobs...and the price for a new one.

But even with all that greatness, it's still not the one I grab for gigs. I love playing with it at home and recording it, but out live, my JCM 800 or the JMP 2204 gets the most use. The 100w Plexi too. Probably the 800 gets the most use live.

He's the guy who designed the 1w JVM & DSL amps...Man, I'd love to have a JVM, & will eventually have one, I just have to wait until all my ducks are in a row...

Still doesn't help the GAS though...lol...I'm betting I'd get along with the JVM really well with all the gain/tone variations that fucker has....

 

[Greg_L]

He's the guy who designed the 1w JVM & DSL amps...Man, I'd love to have a JVM, & will eventually have one, I just have to wait until all my ducks are in a row...

Still doesn't help the GAS though...lol...I'm betting I'd get along with the JVM really well with all the gain/tone variations that fucker has....

Yup, you'd never get anything done with a JVM.

 

[minerman]

Yup, you'd never get anything done with a JVM.

Lol......Time dude, just a little more time, I've got the ball somewhat rolling for me in the direction it needs to, just a little more time....The past year or so have been a fuckin' disaster for me, but I'm pretty confident the light at the end of the tunnel ain't a train....

 

[Greg_L]

Lol......Time dude, just a little more time, I've got the ball somewhat rolling for me in the direction it needs to, just a little more time....The past year or so have been a fuckin' disaster for me, but I'm pretty confident the light at the end of the tunnel ain't a train....

That's awesome dude.