The New Tone Thread

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So a friend of mine is letting me borrow a G&L Fallout (he's selling and hopes my GAS takes control) that has the G&L version of a P90 at the neck and JB in the bridge (with a coil tap). So here's a quick look at it. JB is up first (in humbucker position) and then the p90. The left side is a Senn E609 and the right is a Shure SM57. I used my 1966 Fender Bassman that I used a few pages back when I uploaded some clips of my Univox Superfuzz.

https://soundcloud.com/bill-l-1/gl-fallout-w-bassman-start2

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Well, seeing as how this thread is about the 7th one down, I figured I'd bump it up where it belongs.

I tried a few different things that I don't usually do. Let me know how the guitars sound in general. One thing that concerns me is that I might have too much distortion on the rythm guitars, which are by themselves at the very beginning. A couple of the chords seem to maybe warble out too much.

Let me know if I'm on the right track with this:
 

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RAMI said:
Well, seeing as how this thread is about the 7th one down, I figured I'd bump it up where it belongs.

I tried a few different things that I don't usually do. Let me know how the guitars sound in general. One thing that concerns me is that I might have too much distortion on the rythm guitars, which are by themselves at the very beginning. A couple of the chords seem to maybe warble out too much.

Let me know if I'm on the right track with this:
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It sounds good. The rhythm guitars don't sound overly distorted to me. They do seem a bit overpowering in the mix but that's subjective. The leads could stand a little boost as well.
 
ocnor said:
It sounds good. The rhythm guitars don't sound overly distorted to me. They do seem a bit overpowering in the mix but that's subjective. The leads could stand a little boost as well.
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Ok great. Thanx alot. Yeah, the volumes aren't set. I'll mix it for real once I put vocals on it. I probably sub-consciously turned up the rythm guitars since that's what I was concerned with and wanted you guys to hear.

Thanx Ocnor. :cool:
 
I'm thinking just the opposite of ocnor. I like the level of the guitars, but I do think they're a little too gained up for what you're playing on the rhythms. The leads are fine to me.
 
Greg_L said:
I'm thinking just the opposite of ocnor. I like the level of the guitars, but I do think they're a little too gained up for what you're playing on the rhythms. The leads are fine to me.
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Ok, that was my first instinct. I could have rolled the gain back a bit on the rythms. Rather than re-track, I wonder if it would work if I turned back the volume on the re-amp box, kind of like rolling back the volume on my guitar....at least for the intro and first verse. Once the whole "band" is playing, I can probably live with the amount of distortion that I have.

This was done with the P-90 Epi SG. I only got my Gibson back from the shop today, so I haven't had time to record anything with it yet.
 
You know, just guessing here, you might have a little intonation problem with that Epi SG. I noticed it with some of your raw tracks I had the other day. There's some dissonant warble in some of your chords. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's the way you fret, but I kind of noticed it on these tracks too. Maybe someone else can confirm what I'm hearing, or tell me I'm crazy and to STFU. Either is fine. :D
 
Greg_L said:
You know, just guessing here, you might have a little intonation problem with that Epi SG. I noticed it with some of your raw tracks I had the other day. There's some dissonant warble in some of your chords. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's the way you fret, but I kind of noticed it on these tracks too. Maybe someone else can confirm what I'm hearing, or tell me I'm crazy and to STFU. Either is fine. :D
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I hear it, too. On open D and G chords, and that kind of thing. Not sure if it's intonation or the tuner I'm using isn't right on. I'm going to do some tracks with the new Gibson and see if I hear the same thing. Your ears are really good, so I don't think this kind of thing would be your imagination. I was almost waiting for someone to confirm it for me, because I know that my ears aren't the best, so I thought it was just me being paranoid.

I'm hoping it's just a case of having too much distortion for those open chords and then doubling up the tracks that was causing the warble. I'm still hoping that, but I don't know.
 
You can do a general check yourself on the guitar. Use a trusty tuner. Fret a string at the 12th fret and then play the harmonic at the 12th fret. They should be the same pitch. If not, you'll need to move that string's saddle back or forward depending on which note is sharp or flat. It's not complicated.
 
Greg_L said:
You can do a general check yourself on the guitar. Use a trusty tuner. Fret a string at the 12th fret and then play the harmonic at the 12th fret. They should be the same pitch. If not, you'll need to move that string's saddle back or forward depending on which note is sharp or flat. It's not complicated.
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Cool. I'll try that, thanx.

I just got the Gibson back from the shop, so I'm having trouble putting that down. :D
 
Greg_L said:
Ha, I don't blame ya. SGs fucking kick ass.
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Man, it's awesome. 24 frets, light as hell, and it sits in my lap better than the Epi. Maybe because of the 24 frets, the body doesn't seem to be moved over to the right as much.


OK, I just did a quick check on the Epi. Seems the intonation is perfect. 12th fret pressed down is completely in tune with 12th fret harmonic. Open string is also in tune. Must be me. I'm guessing it doesn't take much to play an open chord and slightly push a string a little bit up or down with the fret hand. I'll have to watch that from now on.
 
The harmonic is useless. You want to check it with the open E and fretted note. Both those should match up.
You play on the frets. They are the notes that need to be in tune.
 
The harmonic and the open string are the same note, no? The harmonic is just dividing it differently.
 
On the 12th fret, the harmonic and the fretted 12th fret are the same note. The open string is an octave lower than both of those. Anyway, I did all 3. 12th fret fretted, 12th fret harmonic, and open string.

I'd love to blame the guitar, but it's me, boys. :)
 
RAMI said:
Rather than re-track, I wonder if it would work if I turned back the volume on the re-amp box, kind of like rolling back the volume on my guitar....at least for the intro and first verse. Once the whole "band" is playing, I can probably live with the amount of distortion that I have.
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Rami dude, you could also automate the send going from the di track to the re-amp box too, it'd give you way more control over how much gain hits the amp...I know this might sound silly, but it actually works, you just have to play with the send level in the automation lane to get a feel of what it's gonna do to the signal/sound....If you did this, you wouldn't have to re-track either...Just sayin'.....:D.
 
minerman said:
Rami dude, you could also automate the send going from the di track to the re-amp box too, it'd give you way more control over how much gain hits the amp...I know this might sound silly, but it actually works, you just have to play with the send level in the automation lane to get a feel of what it's gonna do to the signal/sound....If you did this, you wouldn't have to re-track either...Just sayin'.....:D.
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Never though of that, makes sense. Is it any different than playing with the dial on the RADIAL?

So, basically, play with the fader, right? I don't really have to automate. I'm just sitting there as it's being recorded. I can easily play with the fader.
 
Greg_L said:
The harmonic and the open string are the same note, no? The harmonic is just dividing it differently.
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They start out that way. But harmonics are always perfect.
Fret positon is not.
First off the locations are "almost" right.
Second, how the fret is worn can have an impact on where the note is.
Frets on the cowboy chord area tend to get divots, and frets higher up tend to get flattened from bending. How the fret itself wears can change where exactly the note is.

Then you factor in the player and how hard or soft he presses the string.

Long story short, the harmonics I pay no attention to. The fretted note is what matters.

Many times I have had a guitar where the player complained about intonation And the cure wasnt adjusting the saddles.

We'd dress the frets and bring the peak of the crown back to center. When new strings were installed and intonation was checked, it was right again without ever having to touch the saddles.

So, the frets are very crucial to intonation.

After all, unless you're playing slide, the frets are your notes.

@ Rami, give it some time. Its a new to you guitar. Your touch will adapt so you are playing it in tune.

:-)
 
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