The New Tone Thread

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You mentioned it sounds kind of murky or whatever. I've noticed that with a lot of lower end small tube amps. Most of the less expensive small amps I've tried have like this cloud over them. Why is that?
Well ..... I think a lot of it has to do with the transformers. Good transformers cost a lot and if you were to buy the three trannies in this amp from Mercury Magnetics they'd surely cost 150 bucks just for the trannies. And how the trannies saturate ..... the core material ..... is it sealed and damped to reduce vibrations etc ..... that stuff all makes a large difference in the sound. But these things use cheap Chinese trannies that are just whatever wire half assed wrapped around whatever inferior metal core they have ...... just cheap.
I bet I could replace all the trannies with M.M. trannies and totally transform the thing.
Supposedly you can replace the trannies in an Epi Valve Jr and turn it into a kicking little amp.

And I think they take the most basic designs and use them without much tweaking.
According to what I've read about this amp there's a 1Meg resistor that needs to run from a pin on the power tube to ground and when they translated the Univalve design to a cheap Chinese version it inadvertently got left out. There's more to it than that, but supposedly when you add the resistor it cleans up and tightens up.
I suppose when an amp's cheap .... everything about it's cheap right down to the design phase of it.
"Yeah .... that'll work .... no need to test it and tweak it for the best sound".
Better amps will look at every factor right down to how the wires and circuit physical travel. They might sound better in one arrangement or location than they do in another. Cheap ones are good enough if they work halfway well.

Annnnd it doesn't seem impossible to me that the guy who designed the Univalve (a well regarded amp) might not want to make a cheap one sound as good as the more expensive one.
 
That all makes sense to me. It's just something I've noticed myself and when you mentioned it, I got it.
 
That all makes sense to me. It's just something I've noticed myself and when you mentioned it, I got it.
I think that's part of why older amps have that special mojo that gets talked about. Used to be that transformers were in everything .... they were common so building them was a well known skill. When everything used tubes everything needed trannies. Now, like tubes, they're a specialty item with far smaller numbers of them being made. So someone like Marshall ..... I have to think they make their own though I don't know that for sure.
And IF they make their own then that could account for why they still can make their amps sound wonderful and still have that carachteristic marshall sound. Same with Fender. New companies (the good ones) just source their trannies from someone like Mercury Magnetics (that's the main one I know of but I'm sure there are others) as an important part of their design.
Something like this Jet City PicoValve prolly gets their trannies from a chicker farmer who winds trannies for his 3rd job!
Now that I think about it ...... that may have been chicken poop on those solder joints!

I must say though, that the insides of this amp are pretty nice ..... discrete components and laid out where modding it will be very easy. A nice heavy duty PCB for the p[rice. Chassis mounted jacks except the input ..... surprisingly well made.
 
Marshall, to the best of my knowledge, which isn't much, has always used Drake or Dagnall transformers. The earliest days had Radio-somethings in them, but Drake and Dagnall have pretty much always been the main supplier of transformers for Marshalls since the late 60s. I think the 45-50 watters got one brand, and the 100 watt models got the other, but I'm not sure which is which. Marshall also did a lot of whatever-is-laying-around type parts sourcing, especially in the 70s, so it can vary. My JMP has the original date-correct Drakes in it and I don't plan on changing them unless something bad happens. I don't know what's in the JVM. I would imagine it's probably some Marshall-spec Drake since it's one of their high-end amps. I have no idea what they put in their new asian made cheaper lines. The JCM 900 I had was outfitted with Mercury transformers and they were friggin gigantic and that amp was very heavy.
 
bottom right is sorta how I did my Mosrite bass in metalflake except there was a peaceflag on the back ....... all metalflake.

But if I could have one of those ...... the purple one! Man that's a pretty thing.
:)
 
hey ewerybody im at sweetwater studios

this place is heaven

i record in an hour and a half
 
wouldn't that be an awesome git collection!!! drool ..... wifey didn't get the job so all I can do is drool .......

Aw man, that sucks. Sorry to hear it. Alls I can do is drool too. I mean, I have one, but I want them all. :D

If I had another I'd put one of those P-90 rail things in it.
 
thanks guys

i didnt play a lick

the session guys are wonderful, all from nashville

i was in awe the whole time
 
thanks guys

i didnt play a lick

the session guys are wonderful, all from nashville

i was in awe the whole time
cool .......... session players are the shiznet for sure .......ahem....... I'm a session player so there are exceptions!
 
Ok guys,
Here's a partially finished song I re-tracked the rhythm guitars on today....Not sure if I've posted this song before or not, but I'm gonna try to finish it up in the next few days....I've got lyrics written, & some ideas about the lead guitar(s), & some other things, so lots could & probably will change....Lemme know what you think, not just on the guitar tones, but overall too.....Mix wise, this is just a "static" mix, no automation on anything (the reason I'm mention this is I hear spots the bass needs some attention, vol wise...)...

Again, lemme know what you guys think, & any tips/pointers/advice on any of the sounds would be appreciated.....

Ibanez > SD-1 (clean boost) > DSL-1 > Greenback > '57



Off to work, but should be home around 12 tonight...I hope....
 
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