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Hi! I'm building a home studio around my computer. I don't have much money for hardware - but I've got unlimited access to almost every piece of software on the market. Which progammes should i obtain to get the best possible studio? Which programmes are the hottest NOT considering the price tag?
 
depends on too many factors....

if you are so fortunate to have "unlimited access to almost every piece of software in the market", why don't you try them all out starting with Pro Tools then to Cubase, Logic Platinum, Cakewalk right to n-tracks (not in order of superiority btw) ? there's always that special software for that unique man .... ahhh ....
 
Well, I'm not especially fortunate. All of you could obtain most products on the market for free. I just happen to have the right contacts. And believe me, if you want a piece of software and you work a bit on your contacts. It'll be easy.

How about Reason + Cubase? What's your personal favourites?
 
You're not going to steal the software, are you?

If so, ask your "contacts" which software to use. Besides, without some basic hardware (or a manual), you'll never get anywhere.

These warez kids are beginning to piss me off.
 
Aron, I'm telling you windows recorder is the bomb! The sixty second limitation for recording is only a creative tool, not a drawback as most people see it.

I'm curious, what good is all the software in the world when you dont have any hardware? You stated you dont have much money for hardware. Are you gonna get an radio shack mic and preamp? I hear they're great too.
 
I don't get it why you're all making fun of me. We're all able to obtain any piece of software for free. I just want to know which are your personal favourites.

What I mean is that I want to use as much software as possible so that I won't have to buy hardware compressors etc..etc.

I'm going to spend around 1000$ on a PC, then buy a shure 58, and a pair of decent studio monitors. But I still want to use as much software as possible as I consider it waste of money to buy hardware effects (for instance) when I might be able to get good software effects for free. And I want to know what is the best.
 
This is why you were being made fun of...

In your original post, you inidcated that you did not have much money for hardware. You then indicated that you have "unlimited access to almost every piece of software on the market". You then indicated that you did not care how much the software costs.

This translates into "I needs to buy my hardware because this is hard to steal, and will steal the software because this is easy".

This hurts me in at least two ways:
1- The folks that write the software work hard for a long time to sell a relatively small amount of software (a lot more people buy office than ProTools). This means that every copy they don't sell (due to piracy) means that they will be be less able to produce new updates, and support their legitimate users.

In the end, the software is less good and more expensive.

2 - When the companies see that their software is being illegally copied, they need to beef up their copy protection. This has the doubly ill effect of distracting the programmers from making great music software, and the copy protection makes it a pain in the ass for legitimate owners to use the software.

There. Get it? Probably not.

To answer your question.

The best software is the TDM version of ProTools. It requires a high-end mac, and about $30k worth of Digi hardware to use.

The best compressors ARE hardware.

The best selection of free effects use the VST standard, and CuBasis (a VST host app) can be had inexpensively.

Pesonally I use Cakewalk SONAR, Waves plugins, and a bunch of hardware, all of which I paid for.
 
If we were in the Cave I would tell you to fuck off. But we are not in the Cave, so I wont :)

The reason people are making fun of you ( mainly me) is because your a tool. Your are, what is referred to, as a LAMER. You dont know your a lamer becasue you are one. Kinda wierd how that works.

If you wanna use some free software, use Pro Tools Free. It's free.
 
irritated

I did not ask you to moralize over me. I just asked you what software you liked best. Yes you're morally superior.

But please realize that there are other moral viewpoints than yours. I would never never never buy a piece of software from Microsoft - for instance. If you do that my belief is that if you do that you support your own imprisonment. No "hardworking" programmers will suffer from software piracy. The ones that will suffer are the ones who already have lotsa lotsa lotsa money. If they go down and we get a market that's more pluralized instead of monopolized, whos is going to argue? The capitalists perhaps.

Remember software piracy (including Napster) isn't an easy matter, there's different sides of it. I don't want to support large transnational companies, and if I can avoid that and still get something out of it - why shouldn't I?
 
"Your are, what is referred to, as a LAMER. You dont know your a lamer becasue you are one."

I'm very well aware of what a lamer is and if we were at a UNIX forum or so I would tell you to fuck off, but where not :-)

You probably don't even know what a lamer is yourself and that's why you're making fun of me. I've been into computers half my life... (though I ain't that old...but it's been some 10 years now.) I know how the software world works I know what a lamer is. I also know who claims to be eLiTe, I know what "information wants to be free" is.

I've not been into music for very long - that's why I don't know what software you reccomend. But you lot can't except a newbie now can you? How would you feel if I treated you like this on my homepitch? at a UNIX forum?

Are you som kind of eLiTe hacker, phreaker or cyberpunk who likes to fuck with "newbies" as often as possible?

P.S LAMER=one who doesn't know anything about computers. And that's not me. I'm just not into music yet.
 
Schwa-

Let me know how you like Sonar. I just saw it for the first time the other day. What did you use before that and how do you compare the two?

H2H
 
Hey guys, I'm thinking of going to Guitar Center to steal some guitars, whats good?

See, my point exactly. You still dont know your a lamer. But you never will, because lamers dont know that they are lamers. It's ok though. You should have asked the question differently. But you being a lamer, you didnt know any better.

I would not ask stupid questions in a UNIX forum. So I cant really say how I would feel.

Can I vote to have this thread closed?
 
Irritated as well (a little)...

Generally, you'll do better on this forum if you don't announce your intention of stealling software. In these circles its bad form, and considered rude.

In my previous post, I explained how warez hurts me specifically.

I am actually facinated by the justifcations used warez people to feel better.

This isn't the newbies forum, they're nicer there, but not much.

Good luck, maybe there's something open source that you can use.

Don't forget to stick it to the man.

P.S. LINUX isn't UNIX, just an incredible simulation.
 
No matter how many times I hear it...

I can absolutely understand *why* someone would pirate software, I've done it myself. But I will never understand how somebody could delude themselves into believing that it's not wrong, or even that's it's right and perfectly justifiable, besides the fact that it is clearly and undeniably illegal. A company has a right to create a product and sell it for money, and you have absolutely no justification for taking that product and not paying for it.

This isn't a warez forum. As a member of this little community I care about its reputation and I wouldn't want that kind of thing to be associated with it. I imagine others around here feel the same way and that would be the reason for the way you're beaing treated.
 
As a "hardworking" developer, I take offense to your generalizations. You are completely incorrect. Most of the software you've stolen was written by development teams consisting of numbers as few as two or three. The companies they represent are relatively small privately owned corporations who have revenues in the lower multi-millions...a fraction of what Microsoft, for instance, takes in every month.

Over half of the people on this BBS use at least one piece of stolen software. To say that these companies and their developers would not benefit if these illegal copies were purchased is absurd. To say that these developers do not deserve to reap the benefits of their labor is damn near communistic.

Now we've all stolen software out of desperation. Many of us have stolen software just to see what the software can do. That's not so important. What is important are your long term intentions. Maybe you do intend to purchase the software that you like best. But that's going to be a serious $500 to many thousand dollar investment and because you claim to have no hardware yet, I'm guessing it will be all too tempting to not purchase the software you already have a copy of.

Based on this assumption, I suggest you PURCHASE n-Track studio. n-Track exists for people like you, and me, who need a full-featured multitracking application but aren't rich. You can register the 24bit version of n-Track for $45 and it will do everything you need it to do. http://www.fasoft.com

Real hardworking programmers don't hang around in Unix forums bashing microsoft. Microsoft-bashing Unix forums are for out-of-work IT professionals and teenagers (typically one in the same). Also, owning every copy of flight simulator since 1987 does not help one understand the software development cycle. Nor does it offer any insight into the marketing of software, the successful operation of a development firm, or the health and happiness of its hardworking programmers.

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Download it and see for yourself...

Just kidding.

I'll keep this breif, since its not about soundcards, there's some good stuff about early experiences on the Cake forum.

I used PA9 previously.

The interface IMHO is significantly better, there's a home window that is much more usable.

Its optimized for WDM drivers and is WIN2k aware (including multiple CPUs). Unfortunately you can only get WDM drivers for Delta and SBlive cards (not 100% true but close). I have an Aark card and WinMe, but will change OS when Aark ships WDM. WDM promises ASIO like latency.

Softsynths, like VST instruments. They call it DXi.

Its a good product, a little "1.0" but so far so good. Like all of these host based apps, the faster the machine the better.

I'm still looking for a (pc based) app that will do everything I want, and have a capable hardware interface, but I learned on Cake, and SONAR is a nice incremental improvement.
 
No this isn't a warez forum. And yes LINUX is a form of UNIX. I just wanted to be honest with you guys. I don't like big market companys and I strongly believe that there existence should be illegal. I've used n-track studio, and it's a very good programme, except for it's tendency to crash. When I'm going to start my serious recording I might buy n-track. But till now, when I want to check it out I'm using a cracked version. If I like it and need it I might buy it. To support a pluralized market. But in no way I'm going to support any of the greater companies around the globe. I've worked for Microsoft here in sweden programming kernel-extensions. And hell no were we complaining about people using their products for free, 'cause WE were practically being used for free by microsoft.

And a last word about "MS bashing UNIX forums". I've never seen that kind of forum. I go to such a forum to get in touch with other programmers. There's always someone better out there.
 
Damn straight, Slack. I didn't get into it much above, but I'm a programmer at a tiny company that sells extremely expensive software in a niche market, much like some of the higher-end audio software companies. There are 7 people here, I'm the only programmer. We use a hardware dongle protection scheme, which is tough but certainly crackable (I've seen other hardware-protected apps get cracked). I don't expect it to happen since our software is of no interest to the general public, but if our software started getting pirated it would seriously hurt the business. We charge a lot because we can't sell a lot, again like the higher-end audio stuff.

Slack is right about the intentions thing. I don't understand how someone who's serious about 3d animation can possibly get their foot in the door with getting their hands on some very expensive animation software by whatever means necessary. That still doesn't make it right to steal software, but it's one of those situations where I understand why it happens. On the other hand, piracy for the sake of piracy as a full-time philosophy is just a load of crap. Maybe your perspective would change a little if your livelihood depended on somebody buying a product you produce.
 
If you dont like "big market companies" why use their product? doesn't make sense. Your a tool. Leave please.
 
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