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hokay so heres the deal, title may seem a little weird.


Im a musician myself who has recently started trying to learn how to record/producce, simply because i just want to create my own demos. Nothing professional really, just for fun.

ANyways, ive been buying a lot of audio engineering books, producing books, pro tools books, etc.

ALmost all of them assume that you are a producer, and that every single musician you will be working with can't play their instruments and just suck (one book states to never assume that musicians can play to a click track, and you have to compensate for it!).
everything in these books is rooted in correcting a bad performance, with high emphasis on pitch correction and timing correction. These authors literally assume that there aren't any musicians out there anymore that can actually play their instrument!

what do you think about this?
 
I think it's pretty stupid, but sadly it can be the truth a lot of the time.

I've know I've recorded bands who couldn't play to a click or sing in tune if their life depended on it.
 
I think it might be time to read some diffferent books
 
Maybe what they mean is that the most common performance errors you'll run into are timing and pitch related. I've recorded some top pro's and there's often pitch and timing errors. They might not even be bad enough to qualify for being an error, it just might be slicker if it were tweaked a bit.

It depends on the genre too. If it's a blues reunion concert you won't be "fixing" much but if it's a shiny, perfect Pepsi commercial then everything needs to be perfect; or beyond perfect. A lot of pop music, radio stuff is very, very slick like a Pepsi ad.

It's genre related. It's like drawing a picture, you have to know when to stop shading. It's hard to make a rule about. I started all this by drawing pictures, so I relate it all to that.
 
i did a fair bit of reading before I started recording and never got this impression...maybe mine were written when everyone were great musicians...like the sex pistols, or velvet underground, or the back street boys...


man I really need to listen to more modern music....:)
 
Sounds to me like you might have overexaggerated a little bit, but nonetheless, it's a good idea to learn as much as you can from it. If you're working on a performance that isn't cutting it, it's good to know a few things that can polish it a bit and make it usable. On the other hand, when you're working with a performance that is cutting it, you'll know it, and you'll be even more thankful.
 
Just curious: what are some of the books you've been reading?
 
Crisis? What crisis?

You will probably start out faced with a lot of that kind of musicianship. Even the best of musicians make mistakes, and sometimes you need to know how to fix one mistake in an otherwise awesome take rather than retaking it until it's technically perfect but the spontaneity is lost.
 
kcearl said:
man I really need to listen to more modern music....:)
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. . . Don't worry your not missing anything good :)

To the point, I suppose those books are getting you to think objectivly about producing artists and how to over come issues. for example: I can't play to a click track what so ever, but if I set up a MIDI drum track and go snare, snare, snare, Hi-Hat. E.T.C. i can play perfectly in time. and those are basically the same thing. all in all its all relivant weather its working with other artists or just recording yourself.

Personally im a gogeter' I never read books, i just record and learn by that. then I join here only to find out i know nothing.
 
emokid said:
hokay so heres the deal, title may seem a little weird.


Im a musician myself who has recently started trying to learn how to record/producce, simply because i just want to create my own demos. Nothing professional really, just for fun.

ANyways, ive been buying a lot of audio engineering books, producing books, pro tools books, etc.

ALmost all of them assume that you are a producer, and that every single musician you will be working with can't play their instruments and just suck (one book states to never assume that musicians can play to a click track, and you have to compensate for it!).
everything in these books is rooted in correcting a bad performance, with high emphasis on pitch correction and timing correction. These authors literally assume that there aren't any musicians out there anymore that can actually play their instrument!

what do you think about this?
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i think....if you want the sound of a human being playing music your going to get human being imperfection and that's what most people like "the sound of something human"...if you want spot on timing and perfect tone/pitch...record midi and let to cold hard sound of the computer make the music for you...

just my opinion...:spank:
 
skunktree said:
i think....if you want the sound of a human being playing music your going to get human being imperfection and that's what most people like "the sound of something human"
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