The Anonymous Cracked Software Poll?

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Do You Use Pirated Software for "Try B4 Buy?"

  • yes

    Votes: 164 55.8%
  • no

    Votes: 130 44.2%

  • Total voters
    294
true-eurt said:
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL..... :( :mad:

Well the other sides thought to this comment is I didn't.

Someone made a copy and gave it to me for free.

Before you go off the deep end and start slinging mud; I bought all my software... Alot of people I go to school with didn't.
 
I would tend to agree...

As much as I LOVE Logic - I think you're right...
With a G4 350 - You won't get much done...

Two points:

- However, I did use a PowerBook 12" 1Ghz with 512 Meg of Ram and regularly recorded 16 to 20 tracks of Audio with numerous MIDI tracks with no problem at all - So to be frank - Logic IS good and it DOES work...

- Lastly, Garage Band is NOT Logic... It may be based on that code - But the code for Logic (For the time being) Still has the underpinnings of Emagic in it which was a GREAT company... Garage Band is designed to perform in a different capacity than Logic... With Logic running fine on my little PB I STILL couldn't get Garage Band to work real well - it's like comparing apples to oranges...

Hope this helps...
 
Why is this such a hot topic around here? It has nothing to do with making music. This belongs on some sort of morality web page or something.

With that said, I do feel that software upgrades are expensive and seem to come pretty quickly. My take on this is that once you buy an expensive piece of software, the upgrades should come to you at NO CHARGE afterwards. Forever. And ever. As long as you own a legitimate piece of software and you have registered it and all of that. People feel like - "why should I pay $500 for a program, and then in a year I have to pay another $299 or else have my music sound dated because I am using old software?" And that is a legitimate issue. Especially when these programs are needed to "level the playing field" with the pros. It used to be that once you had a decent amp, a halfway decent guitar, and a four track tape rig, you could do well enough and sound almost as good as anyone, if you knew what you were doing. And that was the extent of the investment - no upgrades! Not so today. Things change so fast that it is costly to stay even six months -behind- the times. I think that the costly and frequent upgrades can tip the scales towards piracy. Imagine someone who is considering the choice between purchasing and registering a program for $500, or pirating a free copy. $500 is a lot of money to many people - and then they start to think about the fact that the $500 is far from being a final expenditure and is merely the beginning of a long and costly relationship with the software developer if they want to stay current - so they say "f it" and just burn the copy. If they felt like they were getting something a little more permanent, perhaps they would be willing to purchase it. Also, how many times has someone sprung for the legitimate product, and then been asked to PAY EVEN MORE for tech support? Or find that while the $500 might include support, but the support they get (if they can get through) is not very good and perhaps the person was even rude to them. So I am by no means excusing piracy, but I am pointing out that the software industry has done things that lessen the perceived value of their products and led to people that would normally not steal pirating software. For example, when someone buys a new car or other expensive product, they get a warranty that is generally honored without much of a hassle. Much of the software industry feels that they have free reign to treat their customers like sh!t.

While not eliminating it, I think that free, or at least lower cost, upgrades to legitimate software would lead to a decrease in piracy. Considering that the average home based midi user probably uses anywhere from 2-5 different expensive programs, the initial cost alone is very high. But it hurts when you make an initial investment of say, $1,500 and you just know that you'll have to keep laying out chunks of cash over the months and years to stay updated.

My opinion here is an aside - it's not specificallly about piracy. I am not excusing anything, only pointing out what might lead to piracy in the first place. One other aspect to consider is that many people in our generation were "brought up" on free software; just like free music downloads. But look at what happened with the music downloads - now that there are companies who have legitimized them, made them affordable, and also added value (it's worth something these days when you can count on a fast download speed and not receiving viruses instead of music - the glory days of the old Napster are long gone...)people are finding that they don't mind paying for it, because it's no longer worth the hassle to seek out free music and the companies have legitimized the charges and provided value.

The same can happen with music creation and recording software, if the users start to feel like they are getting some extra value and that there are good reasons to pay for the software legitimately, besides those of conscience. Because when left to the choice between conscience and $500 - for something that is obsolete almost as soon as it is purchased - conscience may win out on some of us, but will certainly lose on many others.

Just my two cents. I am neither endorsing piracy nor crucifying the pirates. There are two sides to every story. Apparently many people feel that the software is too expensive and that the updates are also expensive and that the high priced piece of software that they purchased did not stay current long enough to justify the high price. If so many people did not feel this way, then there would not be such an issue with piracy. People will pay for something if they feel that they are receiveing a fair value for their money. Example - if the average new car cost $200,000, then there would be many, many more cars stolen. But since the price is perceived as more or less fair, most people pay for their cars. So apparently many people feel that the cost of this software and the subsequent upgrades is too high. Of course we want the developers to continually improve and update the software - that's not at issue. But if not lifetime free updates, how about AT LEAST TWO UPDATES AT NO CHARGE after purchasing and registering a $500 program. That sounds fair to me, for both the consumer and the developer. If piracy were to drop, say even 15% - that would probably about pay for the revenue lost by the change in upgrade policy.
 
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You make some good points, springo. But i'm not sure I agree entirely.

For one thing, in many cases you do get maintenance releases and some new feature releases for free or at a reduced price. You generally have to pay for new major releases (such as going from version 3.x of a software package to version 4.0), but there are often discounts for those software upgrades as well.

But what I disagree with most is your logic about people are so quick to pirate. If that logic is true - that software updates are too expensive - then why are any of the people who pirate software walking into computer stores, taking a new PC, walking out with it? New PCs aren't free for life, and you don't often get a much lower price. Same thing with new cars. For that matter, the same applies to sandpaper, lawn chairs, window shades, TV sets, non stick pans, etc. But I don't hear the pirates complaining about the high cost of upgrades or replacements and advocating theft as the solution to get their message across to "the man", "big greedy companines", "theives posing as legitmate businessmen", etc.

I know the answer why, and I said it earlier in this thread. It's because it's easy to steal pirated software and there's a very low risk of getting caught. If one of the pirates wants to convince me once and for all that their argument holds water all they have to do is walk into a computer store or a new car showroom, pick out an appropriate item, and flip off the manager while stealing their overpriced "upgrade". Better still, walk into a Sam Ash, Guitar Center, etc. and grab the software they download right off the shelf and walk out with it. But I know not a single one of them has the balls to do that, so I still stand by my original assertion. They're stealing simply because they can.

Of course, their counter arguments (software and the upgrades cost too much, I'd definitely buy it if the greedy bastards didn't charge so much, etc.) proves something else - that they know absolutely nothing about what it takes to manage a business. But that's a whole other topic.
 
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DaveO said:
But what I disagree with most is your logic about people are so quick to pirate. If that logic is true - that software updates are too expensive - then why are any of the people who pirate software walking into computer stores, taking a new PC, walking out with it?

--You answer your own question here--

I know the answer why, and I said it earlier in this thread. It's because it's easy to steal pirated software and there's a very low risk of getting caught.

Bingo! It's much easier and a lot less risky than stealing outright, like from a store. And I am still not entirely convinced that it's exactly the same. But for many reasons, I have joined the leagues of people who pay for software. Having been in IT since the mid 1990's, it was not always that way for me. Back in those days, the software makers themselves gave out a LOT of free software to anyone in the trade. It took me a while to get out of that mindset.

Another factor is that sometimes it seems like software companies even seem to penalize the honest purchaser. For example, I legally purchased a set of Cakewalk Guitar Tracks Pro 3 on Ebay. I bought the original software in the original box, etc. The owner removed it from his PC and transferred all of the online accounts over to me. I then registered it in my name with Cakewalk. No problem. The sw also came with a version of IK's Amplitude. We also switched the user accounts to my name. When I tried to get tech support, they said that I would have to pay $99 to transfer it to my name, which was in fact already done. But they would not give me the tech support. They were already paid once for the software and they got their money. The $99 was exhorbitant and I felt like my software was being "held hostage." I did not steal it, and could provide photos of all software etc. We compromised on $39 but I had to raise hell for that. They were not rude or anything, but I still felt penalized for doing the right thing. I do not expect a pat on the back for doing what's right - but I don't want to be penalized for it either.
 
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seismetr0n said:
I too have used pirated software in the past... it is a good way to demo the un-demoable. my theory is that you shouldnt make money with warezed software - if you're just messing around at home with little pet projects - why not.

I paid a truckload to legitimize my software when I started making some bucks.

That's also a point that occurred to me. I paid lotsa money for programs with tough learning curves and more efeatures than I -might- ever use. And it's all for my own enjoyment. I just want a new way to make music for myself. I'm not making any money and I don't plan on making any money. I don't even know how I could make any money, unless my songs charted! Then I would have enough money to pay for it all anyway!

But yes - the high prices are very hard on the hobbyist.
 
Brad_C said:
I find that some software is just over priced.

I do agree with you there, Cakewalk is the only one in a few years not to go up in price on Sonar (although they did go from $300 for 2.2xl to $599 for Sonar 4 PE).

-Blaze
 
Brad_C said:
I find that some software is just over priced.

Brad, I'm not picking on you here, so I hope you don't take it that way. The reason I quoted you is beacuse that comment is the reason so many people use to justify pirating software.

I've seen a lot of people say a Les Paul is overpriced, but I've never seen people take the next step - "therefore I walked into Guitar Center and stole one. That'll show them!"

If you (people in general, not Brad) think software is overpriced - don't buy it. The company will either find a way to make it cheaper so they can actually sell the product, they'll simply lower the price and accept a lower margin, or they'll go out of business. The market will solve the "overpriced" issue all on its own without you having to resort to stealing it. But if a company can stay in business selling their software at an "overpriced" price, then clearly the market thinks there's value in it. Why don't you then buy something you can afford?
 
smtcharlie said:
I'm also waiting for someone to take the leap of making an operating system specific to audio and that's it (no e-mail, no web surfing, etc). Stable and optimized for only specific software and audio hardware. Then a company could sell an all-in-one solution - D-A convertor, sound card, software, and hardware. That would also be a great way to prevent hacking too...the software would only run on their hardware.

I think these already exist - they're called SIABs.
 
ssscientist said:
I have no patience for this kind of shit.

You would never think of stealing a guitar or an amplifier from a music store mostly because you'd never make it out the door with it. But it's all right, no big deal, no harm done to pirate software --- large, small or otherwise --- that someone put a whole bunch of time, creativity, knowledge and plain old sweat into.

My take on it -- fuck all y'all who use pirated software.

OK. I bought Tascam's Gigastudio 32. I put it on my computer. The serial number by internet/activation number needed to unlock the software is the most rediculous scheme yet. I activated it by internet and waited for Tascam to e-mail me the number. This was in Jan 05.

Here it is june. I still have no number. If I really needed this software (which I don't now, I have no time to fuck around with Tascam) then I would effectivly have wasted my $$$. I won't even get into the clusterfuck that Drumkit From Hell cooked up. If someone charged for cracked copies. I would pay it! They are at least useable. The original copies are useless if your hard drive crashes, or you install it on another computer. Go try to use this stuff professionaly. You are at a big show. three hours before you are on your hard drive crashes. You fly to the store, get a new one, load Gigastudio and *bingo* you need the code from Tascam. Good Luck.
 
ssscientist said:
I have no patience for this kind of shit.

You would never think of stealing a guitar or an amplifier from a music store mostly because you'd never make it out the door with it. But it's all right, no big deal, no harm done to pirate software --- large, small or otherwise --- that someone put a whole bunch of time, creativity, knowledge and plain old sweat into.

My take on it -- fuck all y'all who use pirated software.

I know someone who stole a tele from a store. I also know someone who stole a baritone sax from a store. Both while the store was open for buisness.
I am not a theif.

Go figure.
 
I don't use pirated software, but I love when people say support the company, where are they when you need support (Emagic?)?
 
Emagic is owned and absorbed into Apple now.

If you knew this and were being sarcastic, I apologize.

BTW, to anyone who has read my earlier posts, I have since upgraded to a 1Ghz processor, so I think I may now take the Logic 7 (Express) plunge.
 
Whilst I agree that using pirated software is stealing, clearly there is a need to try software out before you buy. A lot of demo versions are completely unusable - for example the Sonar 4 demo inserts a 1 second silence every 5 seconds which renders any test recordings un-listenable. I wouldnt buy a guitar without hearing it properly and I don't see why I should part with my hard earned cash for software that has often not even been tested fully.
 
Pirated software

Many of us, if not most, end up using or trying pirated software.

My experience has been that invariably, it leads to problems. One thing I've learned about using computers, over the many years I've been using them, is be very selective about what products you will put on your PC. Don't load it up with freeware, shareware, pirated stuff simply because you can.

Now i only keep core programs on my PC and i buy them. I have purchsed Cool Edit and upteen upgrades right up to the present version of Audition. I also bought N Track. I like knowing that the products are "clean" and support is available. Besides being the honest thing to do, it's just plain smart in my view.
 
I only use cracked software of companies I despise.

If I respect the company and am treated well by them, I will buy the software.
 
Ptownkid said:
For some things I use pirated software and I don't feel bad what so ever...

If software cost 100 bucks instead of 700-1200 i'd buy it, but these companies can kiss my ass. As titles gain popularity and increase their sales, they raise the price...

Tell me that windows pro is worth 500 bucks, i dare you

Isn't this what is called free enterprise? Supply & demand? Isn't this what the U.S. was built on? Why don't you design a good audio program and see what you might charge for it if you were to sell to the public.........I'm thinking that the price might be higher than $100.00. :rolleyes:
 
i pirate software when demos are not good enough. because i like to do stuff for free instead of paying money to do them.

thanks guys,
cheers.

p.s. pirate software usually works pretty good on my pc
 
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