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mikeh
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I think a drummer should be able to support a song with no more than a kick, a snare, a hihat and one crash/ride...........mainly because I don't want to haul much more than that
PhilGood
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Supercreep
Lizard People
You guys are all wrong. The correct answer is Zaragemca.
I hear he is a master percutivist.
I hear he is a master percutivist.
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zaragemca
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Classification of an Advanced Drummer
Not any drummer need to be classified as Advanced to play,if you are making money which what you are doing and having fun,there is nothing wrong with that.This is the classification which I use for my Percussion-Drumming training and to compare drummers...1.-Concept of Timing...2.-Control of the Speed...3.-Mastering of the structure of music which could be playing...4.-Mastering of the Dynamics and Projections...5.-Coordination of the upper limbs(arms)...6.-Coordination between the upper-limbs and lower-limbs(arms and feet)...7.-Grooving,fill-Ins and Solos...8.-Interaction between the drummer and the rest of the Band members...9.-Ability to play in Combine Time Signatures,like, 5/4..6/8..7/4.,etc...10.-Level of Independency of the extremities(arms and feet)...11.-Use of the Cymbals...12.-Coordination between the drummer and the rest of the percussionists(if ever played with one).Not every drummer wants to become Advanced but for those with the fire for excellence(especially the jazz-players) this could provide a platform.Gerry Zaragemca
Not any drummer need to be classified as Advanced to play,if you are making money which what you are doing and having fun,there is nothing wrong with that.This is the classification which I use for my Percussion-Drumming training and to compare drummers...1.-Concept of Timing...2.-Control of the Speed...3.-Mastering of the structure of music which could be playing...4.-Mastering of the Dynamics and Projections...5.-Coordination of the upper limbs(arms)...6.-Coordination between the upper-limbs and lower-limbs(arms and feet)...7.-Grooving,fill-Ins and Solos...8.-Interaction between the drummer and the rest of the Band members...9.-Ability to play in Combine Time Signatures,like, 5/4..6/8..7/4.,etc...10.-Level of Independency of the extremities(arms and feet)...11.-Use of the Cymbals...12.-Coordination between the drummer and the rest of the percussionists(if ever played with one).Not every drummer wants to become Advanced but for those with the fire for excellence(especially the jazz-players) this could provide a platform.Gerry Zaragemca
PhilGood
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drossfile
nope
wow, i've never seen every aspect of playing the drums listed so exhaustively! perhaps i should just resign from here, move into the guitar forum, and list 1.-finger movement 2.-strumming and picking 3.-hammer-ons and pull-offs 4.-scales and chords (aka lead and rhythm) 5.-playing in key 6.-growing your hair out and whipping it in a windmill pattern along with your playing 7.-playing with your teeth, eyes, and butthole 8.-look at me i'm a douche 9.-look at me i know what odd time signatures are and i can prove it by writing various examples out in list form 10.-meh 11.-standing in line 2nd only to the singer for getting pussy (if you're interested in getting any).Not every guitarist wants to have sex with the Opposite sex but for those with the fire for hairy butt (especially the bag-shavers) this could provide a platform. drossfile
Coughmist
Just a cloud in the sky..
hahah.
playing geetar with butthole. hehe like playing drums with...
playing geetar with butthole. hehe like playing drums with...
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errr314
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I have been liking that Porcupine Tree dude - Gavin Harrison lately. Ooooh, also I am really digging Steve Jordan too. Word?
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errr314
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100th post! Woohoo! And its taken only 3 years! 
drossfile
nope
gavin harrion is amazing. have you heard is work with 05ric?
http://www.myspace.com/05ric
i love what he does for pt, and this stuff is off the charts.
Supercreep
Lizard People
Supercreep
Lizard People
You fools.
The Zaragemca, he is wroth.
The Zaragemca, he is wroth.
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mikeh
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Actually, I like the catagories Zaragenca has come up with. As an example, I've seen drummers who had a lot of technique, but could not "interact" with other musicians worth a damn. I've also seen drummers who were not all that technically adept, but know how to hold the pocket for the band.
I've seen many drummers who could not play a complex time signature as basic as 5/4 or 7/8 - let alone anything more complex.
Having played drums in every thing from 3 piece guitar rock (and even a 3 piece polka band with an acordian and tuba) to 8 piece horn bands to an 8 piece band that included a conga player and a timbale player (we did a lot of Santana), I can attest that the drummers role, mindset and skill set miust be much different in each scenario.
All of the factors Zaragenca mentions do indeed help define a well rounded drummer (which is even more important than a technically skilled drummer - if you plan to actually work).
I've seen many drummers who could not play a complex time signature as basic as 5/4 or 7/8 - let alone anything more complex.
Having played drums in every thing from 3 piece guitar rock (and even a 3 piece polka band with an acordian and tuba) to 8 piece horn bands to an 8 piece band that included a conga player and a timbale player (we did a lot of Santana
), I can attest that the drummers role, mindset and skill set miust be much different in each scenario.All of the factors Zaragenca mentions do indeed help define a well rounded drummer (which is even more important than a technically skilled drummer - if you plan to actually work).
drossfile
nope
Actually, I like the catagories Zaragenca has come up with. As an example, I've seen drummers who had a lot of technique, but could not "interact" with other musicians worth a damn. I've also seen drummers who were not all that technically adept, but know how to hold the pocket for the band.
I've seen many drummers who could not play a complex time signature as basic as 5/4 or 7/8 - let alone anything more complex.
Having played drums in every thing from 3 piece guitar rock (and even a 3 piece polka band with an acordian and tuba) to 8 piece horn bands to an 8 piece band that included a conga player and a timbale player (we did a lot of Santana
All of the factors Zaragenca mentions do indeed help define a well rounded drummer (which is even more important than a technically skilled drummer - if you plan to actually work).
i don't think anyone's contesting his skills--he does have them. it's just that he's a bit assy about the whole thing and kind of entered the forum as a self-spammer.
and you're right--it's unbelievable how many musicians (not just drummers) are proficient when they're playing alone but have no idea how to lock in with other players. disgraceful.
PhilGood
Juice box hero
You're absolutely right! This is the whole reason that from now on I will only play with myself!!!
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that didn't come out right.
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mikeh
New member
You're absolutely right! This is the whole reason that from now on I will only play with myself!!!
Wait...
that didn't come out right.
Perhaps we should all keep our love lives out of this conversation
PhilGood
Juice box hero
Perhaps we should all keep our love lives out of this conversation
My life is an open book, dammit!
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dave_major
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I am a working drummer in Scotland and i am constantly aspiring to be a better technical player and i can do alot of flashy stuff but i only use them in a real world situation very rarely.
i find the more i challenge myself to do something that is not comfortable for me to play the simple stuff (that is VERY VERY important) such as simple grooves, rudiments and control come easier.
I am always trying to get my students to push themselves just a little bit out of their own comfort zone to move them forward.
I am currently working through the Jim Chapin book and am finding it hard but if i never challenge myself to improve my technique then i will and have in the past just stagnated.
In terms of drummers i like
Rodney Holmes (awesome chops but when he was playing with santana he was so soulful and groovy!!! (theres that word again))
Dave McLain (machine head) all time favourite metal drummer solid and inventive at the same time.
Steve Gadd, Thomas Lang, Omar Hakim,
There are so many amazing drummers out there that i can't really name them all.
I am not a fan of Mike Portnoy for the main reason that i find that in Dream Theatre (liquid tension experiment was a LITTLE different) he does alot of the same stuff over and over again i.e quad fills on different flavours and when he is playing an odd time beat he just tends to add and extra beat to make it work.
But that is just my view
Cheers
Dave Major
i find the more i challenge myself to do something that is not comfortable for me to play the simple stuff (that is VERY VERY important) such as simple grooves, rudiments and control come easier.
I am always trying to get my students to push themselves just a little bit out of their own comfort zone to move them forward.
I am currently working through the Jim Chapin book and am finding it hard but if i never challenge myself to improve my technique then i will and have in the past just stagnated.
In terms of drummers i like
Rodney Holmes (awesome chops but when he was playing with santana he was so soulful and groovy!!! (theres that word again))
Dave McLain (machine head) all time favourite metal drummer solid and inventive at the same time.
Steve Gadd, Thomas Lang, Omar Hakim,
There are so many amazing drummers out there that i can't really name them all.
I am not a fan of Mike Portnoy for the main reason that i find that in Dream Theatre (liquid tension experiment was a LITTLE different) he does alot of the same stuff over and over again i.e quad fills on different flavours and when he is playing an odd time beat he just tends to add and extra beat to make it work.
But that is just my view
Cheers
Dave Major
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Elton Bear
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Yeah, I agree about Portnoy, I really can't see what the fuss is about...
As for playing simple vs. technical, I'm rehearsing for a covers gig and the band is playing 'seven nation army', now I groaned when they asked me but when we played through it I thoroughly enjoyed myself! I've been playing jazz, funk, samba etc. for a while now and it's great to not be challenged by the pattern, but instead by the feel, gives me time to concentrate on getting those cymbals way down in volume!
As for playing simple vs. technical, I'm rehearsing for a covers gig and the band is playing 'seven nation army', now I groaned when they asked me but when we played through it I thoroughly enjoyed myself! I've been playing jazz, funk, samba etc. for a while now and it's great to not be challenged by the pattern, but instead by the feel, gives me time to concentrate on getting those cymbals way down in volume!
P-J
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Hey, this is what makes music so bloody brilliant though. There is quite literally something for everyone. In fact there's loads of things for everyone.
Neil Peart is the recipient of many a spunky load on most forums, but I've never understood the attraction. But there's another bazillion drummers I do like
Music is great