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David Hooper said:
Regarding pay to play, that was put in place because bands expected people to just show up. It's a good deal for the bands who can sell tickets because they keep all the money. [/B]
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In 90 we were selling tickets to a show at Gazzaris on the sunset. The people at the door saw this and wouldnt honor the tickets for the people that just got them from us. When we said its our tickets to our show, they wouldnt let us play then. I dont know, maybe it was because we were selling tickets outside Gazzaris, or some band members said it was political. Another band playing that night must of payed off someone to get the prime slot. Its was 1000 bucks. Another band told us this particular band also sabatoged there equipment at another show. It all sounds good in theory, but Dave, ya got to actually experience it for yourself. Doesnt a band work hard enough on their music. Why should they sell there tickets also at a prime club? It sucks the big one. We all had full time jobs. Livin in LA sucks. Work 8-10 hours a day. Practice with your band 2 hours. Fight traffic a minimum of 4 hours and I was going to school for 4 hours. You do the math. Oh how about spending time with the girl friend? Its a total burnout. Being in a band is hard work. The music industry has made it a shit job that doesnt even pay for the guitar strings. The long run? A million dollar record deal nets the band after all the fingers and uncle sam gets his piece of the pie about $7000 dollars.
I love recording in my home studio. I can burn CD's for about 25 cents a piece and give em away. It would just be nice to play a few shows a year and sell a few CD's to at least pay for some more guitars and recording gear.
Myx
 
Tucci said:
The main service the site offers is the message board, on which you can post any questions you have and Dave plus other experienced people will answer you and give advice, and basically consult with you and try to help you with whatever it is you're working on....I doubt that after fifteen minutes you had already posted questions and received bad advice.

Tucci
I can do that for free on here
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Myx62 said:
Doesnt a band work hard enough on their music. Why should they sell there tickets also at a prime club?
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Because nobody else is going to.

Whoever said that being in a band only involves creating the music?
 
pashop said:
You said you had a deal with Orchard and then when I was looking to make a move you then said there was talk they were not paying out. That’s all for Distribution.
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No that's no all for distribution. I don't think you're in need of distribution though. It's worthless without radio, press, and live shows to back it up.

Regarding the Orchard, I did a deal with them, some issues of non-payment came up, and I warned you about those. The contract was still valid, so you could have gotten in, but I was trying to help you out. Had I let you get in there and gotten stiffed, you would have been even more pissed off.
 
Without distribution all you can get for radio is a small percentage of the secondary market. Any of the BDS stations will not give you the time of day. Rock and Alternative can get onto campus radio stations but because my project is new country as I have been told by one major label " you want to play in this park you got to play with the big boys "
CMT will no longer accept 16mm only 35mm and if more than 10% is black and white the probability of airplay goes down.
You think the people who are dissatisfied with your service just don't get it or pay attention .........you are seriously wrong.
My CD's are sold on CD Baby, CD Street and Amazon.com
I have released three singles in Canada and been played by 90% of the secondary stations as well as 10% of the BDS stations. We are also being played in Europe, Australia and as of next week Costa Rica. Our first video was turned down and our next video being shot in two weeks on 35mm will hopefully will attract some attention. We have done three showcases in Nashville each one better than the one before. We currently have over 200 songs submitted to the group from songwriters who have written for Dixie Chicks. Alabama, Blackhawk, Little Texas, Garth Brooks, Lonestar....who came out to see the band at the 12th & Porter.
As I’m sure you remember I also own a production company a commercial recording studio and video editing suite

So you see Dave when I ask a question I’m not just pissing around for white wash answers. I don't have the time. I’m looking for facts that are useful not a bunch of pipedream bullshit.
I work in the trenches like many musicians were not as dumb as you think
 
pashop said:
I have released three singles in Canada and been played by 90% of the secondary stations as well as 10% of the BDS stations.
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It's called CanCon. You can't compare Canada to the US because you have legislation which says it is mandatory to play Canadian artists.

When you have this kind of success in the US, let me know.
 
Nice one Einstein
Your one line answers are so without merit
I’m not bragging I’m just pointing out important factors that once again you have missed
Musicians are working and getting things done without your advise…..surprise
Without distribution the BDS stations will not play the music
Cancon is no guarantee you are going to get played . As in the US we have way to many artists for shrinking market especially on the country scene. Terry Clark , Paul Brant, Caroline Dawn Johnson, Great Big Sea, Blue Rodeo and the little girl from Timmons, Shania get there long before I do.
My project is far from being successful in the US. That’s why I joined your money grab website . The false information on the main page suckered me in like I’m sure it does allot of people.
The incredible thing to me know is the longer you keep me on here the more it damages your credibility.
Do you think the folks on the other half of this thread “ Taxi “ are not just busting a gut right now.
 
I have to say, Dave, this whole thing has probably cost you more in bad press than it would have cost to just give him back his money. I wonder how many potential customers you have lost. Its just poor customer service.
 
Aparently, he needed that $100 more than pashop did........lets see.......only 999 more saps.......
 
Oh, the humanity!



Avert your eyes, children. You shouldn't see this.:D
 
bdbdbuck said:
Aparently, he needed that $100 more than pashop did........lets see.......only 999 more saps.......
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This has nothing to do with money. $100 won't make me or break me. The guarantee is clear though and I expect people to come through on their side of the deal.

But PAShop didn't do that...he told me assistant one thing and then something else to me. He kept changing his story as we tried to work things out with him. Again, I'm all for making folks happy, but I'm not going to play games.
 
What a pile of shit Dave

I asked for either a refund or a reduction in your services.

I don't want the money back now .......I realized that day what kind of a company I was dealing with.

Keep digging your hole man
 
Ive been making a living in this industry for a long time with no help from you.
What a bullshit guarantee.

Taxi has one and they honour it
 
I feel so compelled to tell you guys to just pull your heads out and let it alone already, but I guess there is just no getting through to some people. You continue to drag Indiebiz and Dave through the mud. I think he's defended himself well. It's a battle of wits and it seems he's the only one armed (in my opinion)

Indiebiz may not be for everyone. That's fine. But there are a lot of members who are happy with the results the've received, (including myself) and are getting. And no they aren't all kids or ignorant people who don't know what they're getting into.


So let's just move on.

Ken
 
"So let's just move on."

So. You've got six posts and you're telling us to 'move on'?

Bite me.

This is a Home Recording site, not a fish pond. I've never been very good at taking orders, and I'll never live long enough to take them from some friggin shill.

"Go talk crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.":D
 
David Hooper said:
Because nobody else is going to.

Whoever said that being in a band only involves creating the music?
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Come on Dave, You can do better than that. Making music involves so much more than you lead people on to believe. It takes years of paying dues. FYI, when your in a band, you have to write the songs, teach others if needed(Ive usually written the songs) I had to manage the band members when they didnt show up for practice or gigs cause of drugs, jail or pussy. Im not going to even get into the recording process. You have to set up your own equipment and sound checks for underground gigs and many clubs. Some of the equipment is very heavy. String guitars, fix cord and amps, etc.(Im also an electronic tech) Dave the list goes on........ When a band gets a following after all that hard work, then they need managment. I've had managment give me a credit card for nessesities and they were out getting more gigs and promoting. It really works. Its how its done. As far as the band having to sell there own tickets at an established world class club like the Roxy, or the Whiskey a go-go , I have a reality check for you dave. The band pays a lot of money to put ads in the LA music mag's for there shows. The people flock to those clubs anyway and low and behold , they actually sell tickets at the door.
I will say this, a band has to be top notch and going somewhere after some very hard work and gigs building up a following before
anyone is going to manage and promote the band. Just finding management is hard work. Then comes the studio. Oh joy for me, but hey I have a drummer that cant play to a click track and another guitarist that spends hours trying to get a solo right and cant, while the clock is ticking. I then fire him and do it myself. Then We have to find another guitarist for the next gig.
Dave, there are some musiscian out there that do more than play and instrument and look pretty. Its hard filthy friken work in between, so dont give me the BS about how the band selling tickets. Somebody else is going to sell the tickets. At the fricken door of the club, or some punk ass teenager for chump change and free admisson..........
Myx:)
 
Myx62 said:
Come on Dave, You can do better than that. Making music involves so much more than you lead people on to believe. It takes years of paying dues.
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I'm confused by your comment about what you think I am leading people to believe. You and I are on the same page; being a musician definitely involved a lot more than just making music.

Let's talk about paying dues though. Years of paying dues? Only if you don't learn your lesson the first time around and keep making the same mistakes over, and over, and over...
 
WISongwriter

Its unbelievable to me unless you and Dave are related or you are part of his team that you think he defended anything. Its obvious that the guy is way out of his league when it comes to dealing with people who have been in the business for any length of time. His one line answers or comebacks have all been weak at best and all you have to do is go to his cheesy opening page to see that someone is going to get scammed. What you need to do my friend is take your head out of Dave’s ass and smell the coffee. He has done himself much more damage on here than good . I don’t want my money back anymore its long to late for that I’m just trying to make people aware of the facts. Do you not think the Taxi guys are reading this as well. The difference is they know when to talk and when not to talk. There is such a thing in business as acceptable losses. That’s what I am to Dave ……. a guy who he ripped off and is not happy about it. The smartest thing for him to do was let this thread die a week ago and consider it an acceptable loss.
 
Myx,
Wow........some cold, harsh realities! Now, knowing that David doesn't play for a living, I doubt he's ever actually experienced the real life realities, which you only showed the tip of the iceberg of running a band. Oh GAWD I'm having flashbacks!

bd

BTW, this is my last post on this thread. It's six friggin pages and Pashop still didn't get his money back. What a crok-o-shit. Pash, I know you don't want your money back but, WTF.
 
I'm not related to Dave, or have my head up his ass. I'm just a member of Indiebiz who has gotten a lot out of it, and wanted to defend it. Plain and simple.
 
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