Tascam 388 Story...

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Eureka!!! PROBLEM SOLVED. I was reviewing another forum and a user mentioned a similar situation - plays prerecorded tapes fine but will not record. His problem was a gunked up play/record head - Sticky Shed Syndrome. I'd already (vigorously) cleaned the heads twice with isopropyl alcohol and no residue was visible or appearing on the swab. I also assumed that if the head played well, it should record well. But then I remembered that the tape they had left on the deck when I bought it was old and of very poor quality. Also, poor head hygiene by the previous owner would probably effect both machines in the same way. So I did something that I do not necessarily recommend to others - I reached for a stronger solvent. I VERY carefully wetted a Q tip with lacquer thinner, and being very careful to not let any drops fall or touch any of the plastic parts, I re-cleaned the PLAY/REC head. Turns out that the alcohol was not strong enough to soften/remove the built up gunk. I let it dry, threaded the tape, recorded a bit, and it played back beautifully!!!! I'm over the moon happy!!!!

Sweetbeats and others, thank you so much for your guidance and encouragement and sorry for absorbing your time on such a simple/silly issue. I've not tried this on deck number 2 but feel confident that it will be the same issue. So that means I have two, perfectly functioning 388s - for 50 bucks each!!!!
 
For anyone interested, I made up a Track Sheet and a Board Sheet for the 388 this evening in anticipation of an upcoming recording project where i'll be using the 388. These are useful to keeping notes on what is recorded where and on what tape, as well as what your mix settings are if jumping around between projects.

Any additions/ alterations just let me know!

Enjoy!
 

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Ah. This explains a lot. I appreciate the additional background info and I’m sorry if I was quick to judge. Like you I too did some ugly looking work…and it still happens sometimes…sometimes it’s unavoidable…and it took me a long time to understand better technique and good equipment…trial and error. And yes the ugly work accelerated my skill-building with repairing my own damage lol!

I wish I had a desoldering gun…not in the budget. I do have a nice spring-loaded vacuum sucker, and honestly the thousands of solder joints I’ve desoldered with that type of tool I don’t know if I could get used to a desoldering gun, but I think it would be helpful when working on double-sided glass fiber PCBs…and that’s the only thing that’s in my Studer console. I kind of dread the day I really have to recap it.



Okay, fair enough. If you do get a chance to retrace your steps on that do post what you determine here. We can at least do a little forensics to establish the scope of what might have happened when that was done. Maybe it was inconsequential to any of your ongoing issues and you can put that behind you.



Your transport issue I’m sure is really annoying. I’m sure you want to have reliable operation. You’ve worked really hard to get there, and my goal isn’t to discourage you, but to offer an opinion that maybe will help save you from long term aggravation. Servo transport issues are difficult to resolve when they are intermittent like that. And what you have to do is start working through how the servo system works and checking that each part of the system is doing what it’s supposed to do. The problem is by the time of the 388 Teac stopped including any operational theory in their service manuals. You look at a manual for a 244, 234, 58…dozens of pages of detailed walk through of how the thing actually works…how the circuitry does what it does and it references each component…”leg bone connected to the hip bone” style. You can go to the Theory of Operation section with schematics in-hand and literally walk through what’s happening in the circuits and how it works. And there is detail of “you should see this happen or measure X-Y-Z when you press such and such a button” or “when the transport is in mode X you should see a square wave of X frequency on your scope when you measure between test points X” and you can actually understand why you should see that square wave. And then when you don’t see that you already have an idea of what might be in a failure state and you can check it out. It’s extremely valuable. It’s like the ultimate troubleshooting section. The 388 manual has none of this. It’s one reason I prefer the original first generation 122 cassette deck over the mkII or mkIII generations…original 122 service manual? 122 pages…mkII service manual? 52 pages. What’s missing? Allll the “here’s HOW it works and WHY it works” stuff. And for me, an unschooled untrained hobbyist electronics technician, I don’t have a hope or a prayer to fix stuff like what you’re struggling with on my own stuff if I don’t have that information…and even if I do it’s often times too much. So trying to do that over messaging when I don’t have the machine in front of me? That’s really hard. This is why I like mixers more than tape machines, lol! No motors or servos. And also why I like my old relay logic discrete component machines with no servos like my Ampex MM-1000 or 3M M64. They’re just easier to understand.

I will say though often times intermittent problems or problems that crop up with increasing frequency the longer a machine is being used or is powered have to do with heat and poor continuity. Poor continuity in a relatively high current circuit like with motors and servo systems can create a lot of heat through high impedance problem areas…cracked traces, solder joints that got super-heated during an event and need reinforced and reflowed…you said you got a replacement reel servo board…so maybe that’s not it…but you talked about smoke and such…have you inspected the joint PCBs? And sure it could be a control PCB issue too. So maybe it’s worth looking closely at those, under good light and magnification. Also running the transport with the machine tipped on its side and the bottom cover removed, gently probing or manipulating PCB assemblies and connections to see if you can either make the problem happen or make it stop. There’s also freeze spray to super chill a component. If you study the circuit and there are components that seem like they are getting hot you can chill them in operation and see if that temporarily resolves the issue, and that tells you maybe the component is at the end of its service life and/or you need to improve the continuity of the component to the board or neighboring components. So there’s a couple ideas.
hey Sweetbeats!

Just wanted to follow up on this, a couple of years later.

Turned out my transport problem was just the break solenoid in need of a good old oiling up.. it was just being too stiff so that made the breaks engage in an undesirable way. I was so focused on electronics that I ommited the possibility of having a mechanical problem.

The unit is and have been working as well as a brand new one for two years now!


Cheers
 
I was given a Tascam 388 and some other fun late 80s early 90s stuff like a Yamaha rx7 and an spx90. I started doing some research and found this thread. It's a gold mine!

I'm going to work my way through this thread and through this 388. I have built some guitar pedals and rewired some guitars but never took on something like this. The 388 had one owner and lived in a studio. It's pretty dusty and never had a lot of use.

I turned it on today and here is what I got:
-No vu lights no transport lights
+Mic and line-in all work
-vu doesn't bounce except on stereo bus
+Stereo out works
+The reels spin nice and smooth...
-but they won't stop. None of the transport buttons are functioning.

Any tips on how to proceed systematically from here? I'll open it up and give it a good cleaning. Ill check the voltage and the fuses tomorrow.
 
Really, really hard to say.

There’s not enough detail in your post to know what is a problem with the 388 or user error (no offense), what the actual physical condition of the unit is or how it’s been stored…was the environment humid at all? Sitting is not good…the warmth generated by the components in the unit keeps things dry…the tin plated connections oxidize with time and lack of use accelerates this and lack of use in even a mildly elevated humidity environment accelerates it further. If the problems you describe are all truly with the 388, and your experience is limited to what you shared, my best advice is to get it to a qualified tech and have them start going through it. The 388 is not an easy unit to work on physically or electronically especially when there are multiple issues going on, because of the interweaving of the systems and how they are powered.

You might start by reseating the reel servo and power supply boards.

Regarding the PGM group meters not responding, are you sure you are correctly routing signal to the PGM groups? If so, can you hear audio in the PGM OUT jacks?
 
Does the 388 have cooling slots in the right hand side of the cardbay cover or is it solid?

What revision is your power supply board? -00? -01?

Some pictures would help.
 
Does the 388 have cooling slots in the right hand side of the cardbay cover or is it solid?

What revision is your power supply board? -00? -01?

Some pictures would
I was not routing the signal. So the pgm meters are good. I have not made any other tests.

Here are some pics. The capstan belt was not intact. When I took of the bottom it was dangling there.

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It does not have cooling slots in the cardbay cover. I wasn’t referring to the rear panel, but rather the cardbay cover.

So I believe you have an early model, and there were a number of changes to address heat-related failures that impacted the transport functions. There are people here that know more about these things than I do…one member who also has an early model and worked through all the repairs. Be prepared for a likely uphill battle I think. But start with reseating the power supply and reel servo boards, and replace the capstan belt. You won’t know at all where you’re at until you replace that belt.
 
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