t-racks mastering

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Blue Bear Sound said:
... the first thing you need is a GREAT set of ears (so you can REALLY judge audio quality)....

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Buy a great set of ears for $149.99 and get a free MXL 603 for only $79.99 more. This package will guarantee a Grammy in 6 weeks or your money back. No dealers please :p

I also found a great deal on the TC electronic's music master-bator for only $999.99

SoMm
 
I can't believe anyone would spend all that money on a TC when you have one of these babies sitting right there in front of you:

http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=DSP9024&lang=eng

I think it even said it has tubes. Well there you go. If I want professional-level mastering, I'll just run my tunes through this thing. Maybe just crank all the knobs to the right or whatever looks good. Do you think it has presets?

Then run it through one of those ART tube mp's for even more tubes, since I think the Behringer only has tube simulation. That would be pretty cool to have your stuff go through a tube simulator, and then a real tube.

Then, of course, as a last finishing touch, I'd just use the BBE Sonic Maximizer. Of course, I've heard you want to use the Sonic Maximizer only sparingly, so I'd just set it on "medium" or something like that. Besides, the Behringer unit already has an exciter on it - so I'd probably use that one first, before the bbe.

But then again, this is only my "fantasy" setup. I'd have to have a lot more sm57's on hand to sell if I was ever going to go for an expensive setup like this. Whoa, dude.
 
chessrock said:
Maybe just crank all the knobs to the right or whatever looks good.

Whoa, dude. is right cause it doesn't even have knobs!

No Knobs..no real tubes....what the? :eek:

SoMn
 
Son of Mixerman said:
it doesn't even have knobs!

Knobs schmobs! Knobs are for wussies. It's all abou the presets. Give me the "Mutt Lange" or "Nigel Goderich" preset and I'll be all set.
 
chessrock said:
I can't believe anyone would spend all that money on a TC when you have one of these babies sitting right there in front of you:

http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=DSP9024&lang=eng

I think it even said it has tubes. Well there you go. If I want professional-level mastering, I'll just run my tunes through this thing. Maybe just crank all the knobs to the right or whatever looks good. Do you think it has presets?

Then run it through one of those ART tube mp's for even more tubes, since I think the Behringer only has tube simulation. That would be pretty cool to have your stuff go through a tube simulator, and then a real tube.

Then, of course, as a last finishing touch, I'd just use the BBE Sonic Maximizer. Of course, I've heard you want to use the Sonic Maximizer only sparingly, so I'd just set it on "medium" or something like that. Besides, the Behringer unit already has an exciter on it - so I'd probably use that one first, before the bbe..

Chessrock--man, you gotta stop it! Here I am, taking a pull off my beer, reading somberly through the posts. Then, I get to this and I come real close to spraying a mouthful of labatt's all over my studio! This one is just too damn hilarious--maybe because you are getting real close to the truth here. LOL!
 
I'm just having some fun, Crawdad. You see, I live in a rather artsy part of Chicago where there are a lot of struggling yet talented musicians who seem to think they know all these secrets to getting good sound that they assume I don't know. And it usually involves the dreaded T&A words: Tubes and Analog.

Bands like Wilco are really big around here. And you're not cool unless you have a vinyl collection of like a thousand records you wouldn't even listen to. And of course, there's the vintage clothing (aka - Garage Sale rejects).

Digital recording gets frowned on a lot. Sometimes it gets frustrating. But I've learned to go along with it. One time, this dude asked me about my Delta sound card, and sort of snobishly frowned on the fact that I was recording on to my computer.

I told him the 1010 has trans-coupling transistors in it (I don't even think there is such a thing as a trans-couping transistor) that, when engaged, emulate the sound of slightly-driven Telefunken tubes and analog saturation even better than analog.

He said "Yea, I think I heard something about that." "When can we record?"

The secret is keeping a straight face when you f@#ck with people like that. And it doesn't work on everyone.
 
I'll add my 2p worth (As usual).... I tried using OZone to master my songs, and did nothing but make the songs sound crap.

I took it to a local studio today, who mastered 4 tracks in 4 hours, and now they sound fantastic. They used a combination of Genelec (I think) monitors, big ones and little ones, some hi-fi speakers and a little portable stereo thingy, to compare the mix against lots of different speakers.

Although he didnt actually do 'a lot' to the mixes (converted em to analog, put em through some valves then compressed a few bits, normalized etc.etc.), they sound fking great now.

My advice, Dont waste hours of your life trying to do half a job, when you can spend 4 hours and £100 to get someone else to do a sterling job. Its worth it in the long run.
 
I told him the 1010 has trans-coupling transistors in it (I don't even think there is such a thing as a trans-couping transistor) that, when engaged, emulate the sound of slightly-driven Telefunken tubes and analog saturation even better than analog.

What an idiot. Everybody knows that trans-coupling transistors blow chunks. My terratec has a Hobbes Transmogrifier circuit that blows the 1010 out of the water. It not only emulates the sound of a 24 track Studer, but becomes the 24 Track Studer. Not a bad deal for $199. Terratec is working on an outboard unit to transmogrify shitty, pretentious musicians into ones who can actually play.
 
jitteringjim said:


What an idiot. Everybody knows that trans-coupling transistors blow chunks. My terratec has a Hobbes Transmogrifier circuit that blows the 1010 out of the water. It not only emulates the sound of a 24 track Studer, but becomes the 24 Track Studer. Not a bad deal for $199. Terratec is working on an outboard unit to transmogrify shitty, pretentious musicians into ones who can actually play.

Yeah, but does it have knobs that go to 11? If not you can insert them with a Anal Transrectumfire. Sometimes it can reverse polarity of the AC/DC circuit though which we all know is highly painful. :eek: Ive done pretty well in avoiding getting some forms of Behringeritis for the most part, a few close calls.

SoMm
 
NickHall said:
My advice, Dont waste hours of your life trying to do half a job, when you can spend 4 hours and £100 to get someone else to do a sterling job. Its worth it in the long run.

How much?
The guys here want to charge 75-100 an hour:(
 
jitteringjim said:
My terratec has a Hobbes Transmogrifier circuit that blows the 1010 out of the water.

That's nothing. I hear that Stephen Paul and Rubert Neve are working on one that incorporates the "Flex Capacitor" within a delorean, so that all you have to do is go back in time and have Marvin Berry play on your tracks.
 
Me myself & him said:


How much?
The guys here want to charge 75-100 an hour:(

Jeez, thats a rip off. (but then I dont know where you are.... ;))

£35 / Hour in the UK for a good qulaity studio....or £110 per half day (4 hours).....
 
That's why I haven't had anything mastered yet. I'm in NC, the big guys in my city hate letting you in for less than a whole day (10 hours)
Maybe I should send my stuff away to get it done. Or look for a guy with a small setup.

The studios I'm talking about recently went pro-tools and used to charge 45-75 an hour.

Now I see why people go out of town.
 
chessrock said:


I told him the 1010 has trans-coupling transistors in it (I don't even think there is such a thing as a trans-couping transistor) that, when engaged, emulate the sound of slightly-driven Telefunken tubes and analog saturation even better than analog.

He said "Yea, I think I heard something about that." "When can we record?"
.

Oh, yeah! Everybody knows about those trans-coupling transistors!

I knew a guy in art school who knew the how to's of everything cold, from lithography to photography--whatever. Unfortunately, he had absolutely no artistic talent whatsoever, so he became sort of a tech head. His work was lame.

People will buy into any kind of hype if they think it will make them sound better. Its a lot easier than developing real skills required that make you sound professional. "if only I had a new preamp, a better mic, an analog tape machine, a Neve board, a Lexicon, a Distressor, yada yada yada." My theory is that if you can't make good sounding music with a mackie board, a SM57, one LD condensor an an ADAT, Tascam 8-track or a simple computer recording program, all that other shit means nothing. Great gear is still great and all, but it doesn't transform garbage into diamonds.

All that aside, do you think that Behringer thingy is the ticket? I like the tube simulation plus real tubes plus two exciters at once idea. Especially if I could run it through a pair of Tube MP's. I think I'd finally be able to do something with my other gear! How about a Bellari tube something for the final stage, just to fatten and crisp it up a bit more?
 
Me myself & him said:
That's why I haven't had anything mastered yet. I'm in NC, the big guys in my city hate letting you in for less than a whole day (10 hours)
Maybe I should send my stuff away to get it done. Or look for a guy with a small setup.

The studios I'm talking about recently went pro-tools and used to charge 45-75 an hour.

Now I see why people go out of town.

Jeez man that sucks. It has to be said though, the smaller studios are sometimes a lot better. I actually recorded with my last band in one of the biggest studios in Birmingham, the first in the country to go 'all digital', they charged me £500 for a 3 track demo, with no mastering or production included......

The overall quality waws shit, as the engineer was more interested in the putting the money in the cash register, and looked upon us as people who really didnt have a clue.

I looked around for a few days before picking the studio I went to for masering....and I talked to the guy on the phone about exactly what I wanted before I went to him. It was about 30 miles away, in the countryside, but it was worth it. (I know its a long way to travel for you....lol..but have a look at their website, to see the size of outft I'm talking about: http://www.gighouse.co.uk)

Peace.

Out
 
crawdad said:
How about a Bellari tube something for the final stage, just to fatten and crisp it up a bit more?

LMAO! I think I forgot all about that one.

BTW, isn't it amazing how we've managed to have two simultaneous conversations going on in this thread for this long whithout any problems? I think it's been almost three pages now, huh?
 
NickHall said:


Jeez man that sucks. It has to be said though, the smaller studios are sometimes a lot better. I actually recorded with my last band in one of the biggest studios in Birmingham, the first in the country to go 'all digital', they charged me £500 for a 3 track demo, with no mastering or production included......

The overall quality waws shit,

Same thing with our first demo. That's why I don't go there anymore. Thanks, I'll do some research on small places around here.:)
 
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