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shortyc
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is it good or what?
Son of Mixerman
Mix Junior
I have my thoughts and opinion, but If you use the search function and read the gamut of already posted opions, youll avoid the "use the search funtion" 500 times more than the one your reading.
SoMm
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shortyc
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tried it
I tried searching under "t-racks" but didn't get much luck
I tried searching under "t-racks" but didn't get much luck
Blue Bear Sound
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Well... call it "adding color", "tweaking", or even "fucking with it".... but whatever you call it, it sure as hell has nothing to do with "mastering"!shortyc said:
Son of Mixerman
Mix Junior
Here, a small gift for the curious at heart.
http://www.home-recording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47287&highlight=tracks+mastering
SoMm
That an interesting statement.
The usage of a multiband compressor is used specifially to add "color"? Would you consider limiting a form of tweaking, or even L/R correction of the stereo field? All those terms do have something to do with "mastering", though its arguable whether any amateur knows enough about the process to "not screw it up" using a consumer product like t-racks. But in the right hands you "might" be able to do something decent. I use the word might to express the main "if" would depend on the mix and other tools in the persons arsenal. "might be able to if".
My personal opinon:
T-racks does a nice job of making the mixer think he can always fix it or sweeten it later. Don't waste your money on distractions. Focus on the tracking, engineering and mixing a great song. Then let trained professionals master your product. The good thing about this line of thought is that it allows you to grow as a mixing engineer. You have to have a subjective set of ears for you to be able to hone in your skills. Thats why internships are so greatly valued in the audio/music industry.
Be wary of the all in one studio's offering budget mastering, more than likely the monitoring is inadequate. No one wants an inadequate product.
http://www.home-recording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47287&highlight=tracks+mastering
SoMm
That an interesting statement.
The usage of a multiband compressor is used specifially to add "color"? Would you consider limiting a form of tweaking, or even L/R correction of the stereo field? All those terms do have something to do with "mastering", though its arguable whether any amateur knows enough about the process to "not screw it up" using a consumer product like t-racks. But in the right hands you "might" be able to do something decent. I use the word might to express the main "if" would depend on the mix and other tools in the persons arsenal. "might be able to if".
My personal opinon:
T-racks does a nice job of making the mixer think he can always fix it or sweeten it later. Don't waste your money on distractions. Focus on the tracking, engineering and mixing a great song. Then let trained professionals master your product. The good thing about this line of thought is that it allows you to grow as a mixing engineer. You have to have a subjective set of ears for you to be able to hone in your skills. Thats why internships are so greatly valued in the audio/music industry.
Be wary of the all in one studio's offering budget mastering, more than likely the monitoring is inadequate. No one wants an inadequate product.
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I suppose this is a good opportunity to update my opinion of T-RackS.
I still like the sound that it has, and its pretty easy to get a good level with it if you have a decent recording to feed it. The compressor does a good job on program material as long as the mix is good already.
But its NOTHING like Wavelab (or any other wave editor) and some decent plugins. I was doing some mastering work on a buddy's work the other day. He recorded his stuff VERY well concidering what he had (a tascam 4-track, an acoustic miced and line in, and a radio shack omni-directional...) but we wanted to perk it up a bit.
I wouldn't have even thought of trying to use T-RackS for the job. I didn't need compression or EQ for most of them- I needed an "exciter", some subtle reverb, and some milisecond long fades in and out, cutting the files to length, and LOTS of options to try things to see what works best. T-RackS can't do most of that...
Take care,
Chris
I still like the sound that it has, and its pretty easy to get a good level with it if you have a decent recording to feed it. The compressor does a good job on program material as long as the mix is good already.
But its NOTHING like Wavelab (or any other wave editor) and some decent plugins. I was doing some mastering work on a buddy's work the other day. He recorded his stuff VERY well concidering what he had (a tascam 4-track, an acoustic miced and line in, and a radio shack omni-directional...) but we wanted to perk it up a bit.
I wouldn't have even thought of trying to use T-RackS for the job. I didn't need compression or EQ for most of them- I needed an "exciter", some subtle reverb, and some milisecond long fades in and out, cutting the files to length, and LOTS of options to try things to see what works best. T-RackS can't do most of that...
Take care,
Chris
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chessrock
Banned
All you really need are tubes.
And it doesn't much matter how they're used, either.
Stick a small tube inside the donut hole of the mastered CD, and the tube warmth will probably rub off on the music, somehow.
Another tried and true technique is to just get a really big tube, and stick your mixdown inside the tube . . . cut out a hole if you have to, and then perform a ritualistic chant. Pray to your tube Gods and have them bless your mixes.
One time, I decided that, during the CD-burning process I would try something different. Instead of sticking a writable, blank CD in the burner, I just stuck a tube in there instead. It was a special flattened, disk-shaped one. And I just had the burner write the audio TO THE TUBE.
And it worked great. I was stunned at the warmth.
My next experiment will be to stick a 1/4" reel in there, and see if I can get some of that ANALOG warmth my clients have been craving so much for their shitty, out-of-tune vocal tracks. I know of this one guy who tried this once, and the singer came out sounding EXACTLY like Celine Dion. No lie.
And it doesn't much matter how they're used, either.
Stick a small tube inside the donut hole of the mastered CD, and the tube warmth will probably rub off on the music, somehow.
Another tried and true technique is to just get a really big tube, and stick your mixdown inside the tube . . . cut out a hole if you have to, and then perform a ritualistic chant. Pray to your tube Gods and have them bless your mixes.
One time, I decided that, during the CD-burning process I would try something different. Instead of sticking a writable, blank CD in the burner, I just stuck a tube in there instead. It was a special flattened, disk-shaped one. And I just had the burner write the audio TO THE TUBE.
And it worked great. I was stunned at the warmth.
My next experiment will be to stick a 1/4" reel in there, and see if I can get some of that ANALOG warmth my clients have been craving so much for their shitty, out-of-tune vocal tracks. I know of this one guy who tried this once, and the singer came out sounding EXACTLY like Celine Dion. No lie.
Blue Bear Sound
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My point (which I thought was fairly obvious) was that it's no replacement for sending to a mastering house.........Son of Mixerman said:
That an interesting statement.
The usage of a multiband compressor is used specifially to add "color"? Would you consider limiting a form of tweaking, or even L/R correction of the stereo field? All those terms do have something to do with "mastering", though its arguable whether any amateur knows enough about the process to "not screw it up" using a consumer product like t-racks.
I didn't think I needed to spell that out....!
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chessrock
Banned
Do mastering houses have tubes?
Blue Bear Sound
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Yes chess... only the best ones do... like an ART Tube Pre... ya know... ACE gear like that!!!
Son of Mixerman
Mix Junior
Blue Bear Sound said:My point (which I thought was fairly obvious) was that it's no replacement for sending to a mastering house.........
I didn't think I needed to spell that out....!
LOL, how long O hairy one will it take before you realize once the name T-Racks is mentioned, then everything needs spelled out.
If duplication houses weren't so into cutting higher 4X and higher ,we'd still be using 1630's or at worst Exabyte.
Then that would automaitcally remove any motivation to even write software like T-rackS. Everyone wants to work around the tried and true process and yet expects "pro" results. Im sure you will agree Blue Bear, to sound like a professional, you have to be a professional using professional tools.
SoMm
Blue Bear Sound
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Well yes... to a point, that's true....Son of Mixerman said:
To sound like a professional, you have to understand and use professional techniques... if you use "professional" tools, the job is easier... if you don't use "professional" tools, you'll get the job done, but you'll have to work harder!!
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chessrock
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So how hard would I have to work if I got ACE stuff like that ART tube thingy you were talking about?
Isn't that thing like really expensive? Like $100? Whoa. I'm going to have to go sell my sm57 in order to afford one of those. If I do that, can I just sing in to my headphones and still get pro results?
Isn't that thing like really expensive? Like $100? Whoa. I'm going to have to go sell my sm57 in order to afford one of those. If I do that, can I just sing in to my headphones and still get pro results?
Son of Mixerman
Mix Junior
Blue Bear Sound said:... if you don't use "professional" tools, you'll get the job done, but you'll have to work harder!!
Next at Homerecording.com, How to get an Tascam Porta03 to sound like a Neve in under 20,000 hours on T-racks! We will show you how to Plug in the RS 9000 Condensed Milk into the ART TubePac for clean and accurate sound thats better than a U147 into a Summit Audio Tube Preamp. Finally, a special treat on how T-Racks has got Sonic Solutions and SadiE on the proverbial banks of bankruptcy. Film at 11:00
How hard do you wanna work...?
Life is too short, Don't waste it running in circles.SoMm
Blue Bear Sound
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LOLSon of Mixerman said:
Not exactly what I had in mind...!!!
Me myself & him
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Blue Bear Sound said:
Is there anything that is?
If so, is it worth it for a beginner like me to get it?
even though I'm a fast learner?
Blue Bear Sound
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Not really... the first thing you need is a GREAT set of ears (so you can REALLY judge audio quality).... then you need a monitoring system that lets your ears do a great job of judging audio quality.... then you need to learn how to analyze mixes to hear if they don't measure up.... then you need gear that allows you to improve the quality of mixes that don't measure up without fucking them worse than before you got them!Me myself & him said:
So, no... there's no "magic box" that will give all that to you..........!
Bruce
Me myself & him
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Damn
Well...... In your opinion, .....what's the next best thing?
Well...... In your opinion, .....what's the next best thing?
Blue Bear Sound
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Aw... fuck it.... get yourself a Finalizer and have at it....!
It still won't be a replacement for a mastering engineer, but in the end, if it helps YOUR tracks sound better, then that's really all that counts, eh?!!!
Cheers!
Bruce
It still won't be a replacement for a mastering engineer, but in the end, if it helps YOUR tracks sound better, then that's really all that counts, eh?!!!
Cheers!
Bruce
Me myself & him
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Hahaha!