Strike Back - either Haemophilliac Heroes or The Keeper?

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HELLO FOLKS! Is there anybody out there? Is there anybody listening?
Iwould love a critique of these lyrics if you'd be so kind.
KK has given them a look & offered a suggestion or two. Thanks mate!
Anyone else?
I can be pedantic and hard when critiquing lyrics. I'm quite happy to be served up as well. I'm here to learn after all!
Here's a chance to strike back folks!
I have a song I'm constructing & haven't decided what lyrics to set with it.
I have two sets below that fit reasonably well within the backing.
What I would like to know is which appears to be a better lyric AND what issues do I need to resolve in terms of the usual: theme, narrative, metre, rhyming scheme, pomposity etc etc. Thanks in advance and: have at it!
The 1st lyric was rather wordier & it flowed well in a spoken form but was untidy in a singing sense so I've pared it back rather heavily. It's aggressive in theme, narrative and language.
The second is gentler: obdurate and obscure as is the 1st, but less aggressively so. The narrative is ppossibly more consistent and there's a distinct feel/flavour quite different to the 1st.
What needs fixing and which is better prepared to use?

Haemophiliac Heroes Syllable Count Issues

VERSE ONE
Plastic sheets of moonlight 7
Reflect in a cracked glass eye 7
Neon illuminates suicides 9
Who had never learnt to fly. 7

Time bombs flock to Sunday schools 7
With their leather bridle eyes 7
Where carrion feast on stale thoughts 9
Fattened on open lies. 7

CHORUS 1
Hidden, luminous, backstreet warriors, 10
metamorphosed denizens of the deep, 8 (del wrong pron & sp should be metomorphosized p lic.?)
Reduced pseudo-Casanova rapists, 10
Through lost innocence they creep. 8

VERSE TWO
And they, finding Lady Love 7
A sad and lonely girl 7
Unleash a thousand lost fantasies 9
Almost none of which unfurl. 7

Cellophane-clad merchandise 7
Again tread the beaten path 7
& on new Freedom’s vanquished moments 9
Sail winds of the aftermath. 7

CHORUS TWO
But multilingual electric deathcries 10
Simply shatter their perspex minds 8
& yet again their testament is sworn 10
Across a thousand neon signs. 8

VERSE THREE
All too soon the collector 7
Undertakes his evening rounds 7
Charged to extract the final payment 9
Be it cash or flesh by pounds. 7

Phosphorescent plastic daydreams 8
Now crowd into the cell 6
Switchblade waving gladiators 8
In horror turn to gel. 6

CHORUS THREE
And the lying, crying, moulded dollies 10
Who would once strut and dance and pose 8
Just a short step from teenage rubber queen10
To a middle-aged rubber hose. 8

REPRISE
Yet with waxen eyes his bruise tattooed lass 10
Is fairly bubbling with mirth. 8
Or
Hidden, luminous, backstreet warriors, 10
metamorphosed denizens of the deep, 8
OR????
cochrane

The Keeper Syllable Count issues

V1
And the keeper did come 6
Bringing keys for the cage 6
But he walked through the corridor 7
And onto the stage 5

Ch1
As he turned to the crowd 6
There seated in his mind 6
And searched all the faces 7
For a love lost to find 6

V2
His tears fell like kisses 6
On bright velvet robes 6
And his eyes blinked like lanterns’ 7
beneath unlight strobes 6 unlit

Ch2
& so bowing he turned 6
And he walked to the wings 6
His mind floated in mem’ries 7 mem ries
Of less painful things 6

V3
He followed the chalk marks 6
On the bare timber walls 6
& past lighthouses dormant 7
And through empty halls 5


Ch3
Still on through the evening 6
Of a starless white sky 6
To a place where the hangman 7
Himself had to die 5

Ch Reprise
There to lay himself down 6
On the earth and the snow 6
And fade into Present, 7
Past Future to know 5
cochrane
 
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I vote for the first one. Granted I'm not sure how it would go in song form, but reading it was a journey I liked. Looks very solid.
 
Maybe on the first verse you could an A-B-B-A rhyme scheme instead of A-B-B-C
like "Who could never take flight" ?
 
KK,
I'll ponder the scheme change - Ii is out of step with the rest.
I'll sit'n'think!
Thanks.
I did make a change to the 1st verse KK, & another further along. Thanks for nudging me.
 
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I would have to go with the 2nd version Ray, it flows better in a musical sense. The first although well written, just lacked a sense of musicality to the meter...imho.
 
Showstone,
Thanks - that's the sort of response I was looking for. I have no sense of melody & so can't work out whether a lryic I write can be sung at all.
 
Yeah...but can you dance to it?

;)

I'm sure there are may ways to write songs...but I honestly was never one to write a bunch of lyrics and then fit them into background music and/or swap them out for an entirely different set of lyrics for the same music.

To me...the music goes hand-in-hand with the lyrics, it's not just about getting the lyric rhyme and syllable count to fit the beat...etc...etc.
I write music and lyrics almost simultaneously or at least I always get the general focus of the song decided on at the start with at least a single verse or chorus, and then build out from there, but the music drives the lyrics and the lyrics sets the music structure.

As creative as they might be, neither of those lyrics above say anything to me without hearing the music too. :rolleyes:
 
Greg,
yep, I'm verbose aren't I?
Miroslav,
Yeah, I have the music & the lyrics but no melody - I'm more useless at melody than I am at the other two. My melodies tend to translate into bass lines - follow the chord, walk from one root to the other etc.
I don't disagree with you BUT, accept that I do it differently looking at them as lyrics in waiting..
How is the rhyming scheme? What about the metre? Is the narrative or lack thereof interesting? Is the narrative appropriate?
It’s reasonably sorted in terms of tracking but def. not the mixing.
Here's a link to the basic backing - it may help you think of the words as lyrics. The backing is a draft mind.
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I listened to your backing tracks...pretty good sound.

Here's the thing...I tried to find a few ways to sing either of the lyrics...and it just don't work.
The verses/choruses just won't fit comfortably into the backing track sections that appear to be the verse/chorus sections.
There are way too many syllables per verse in the first set of lyrics to fit into those sections. No mattar how I tired, it was like a rapid, run-on sentence, and then the meaning of all those descriptive words becomes just a lot of alphabet soup.
This is why I feel that you need to take a sort of symbiotic writing approach and do the music and words almost together...
...or write the words specifically TO the music or the music TO the words...but to do that, you need a melody line, otherwise it won't work.

Right now...you got a problem...you have finished words, you have finished backing music, but no melody. So now you've given yourself a third, difficult task of coming up with a melody that both fits the music and more importantly, the words.

I would never go that far out with any of those things without having some initial idea how they will come together.
Like if you had some melody ideas at the start...you could get away with doing the lyrics later on and still finishing all your music ahead of them. But now you're just trying to find how to make three separate things fit together...and you still ain't got the third piece...the melody.
It's a tough way to write...IMHO.

I think your first set of lyrics are way too wordy...syllable-wise to ever comfortably fit with that song sturcture/tempo...and the second set seem too "short" on syllables.
The tempo, melody and lyric beat...all have to come together.
 
I listened again and I think if you take the first set of lyrics, and break up the "verses" into only two lines...it might work with what the music seems to dictate is a "verse"...at least that's what I'm hearing.
That gives you more room...more flow, but it will take a bit of work to make it flow smoothly throughout...as some the lyrics have awkward pronunciation in spots...so you might need to adjust them.
But it all hinges a the melody line.
 
Miroslav,
Thanks for the deatiled response. that gives me something to work with. As I said, I have no melodic sense so can't divine whether things will fit.
I can chop & hack so will dig around within the words and try to get something.
thanks again.
 
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