Starter drum mics?

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Hello,

I'm pretty old to playing the drums, but pretty new to recording them (myself anyway). I'm looking to purchase some mic's and an A/D box for getting drums into my PC. Mobility is unimportant, as I'll be setting this rig up on my kit and leaving it there. I already have a pretty muscular PC, an old (and somewhat noisy) Tascam M308B console and $1250 that I can dedicate to this project. The end result should be a multitrack DAW for my own edification that I don't have to fuss with too much. I know it won't sound particularly good for that amount of money, but this is all hobby stuff and I think that's ok. Since I'm very green, I was hoping for some advice on the best way to accomplish my goal.

I've done some reading and I think I've narrowed my selection of A/D box to the Presonus Firepod and the M-Audio Delta 1010. Both are comparable in price (within $100 of each other, anyway) and will eat up a little less than half of my budget. The Presonus is very attractive because it appears to have decent pre's (for the price), a simple interface, and be a good overall value by most accounts. The Delta 1010 seems like a very popular "standard" for someone on my budget, but doesn't come with all the built-in preamps, so I'd probably have to rely on the M308 for some of that functionality given my limited budget. That would be ok, except the Tascam is pretty old and fairly noisy.

As an aside, I'm an advocate of using Linux where possible. I've played around with the Planet CCRMA audio package and low latency kernel and have found this to be very stable and complete. Hammerfall (probably out of my budget) and M-Audio have good driver coverage in Linux and the Bobob Sourceforge project is approaching a usable alpha version of their Firepod drivers. In short, it would be a bonus if I could use whatever system I get in Linux, although this is not a requirement. I'd be happy to use whatever software comes with the hardware provided it works.

As for microphones, I'm pretty dead set on having a mic on each drum and a pair of overheads (for a grand total of six microphones - snare, rack, floor, kick, overheads). I realize that I will have to settle for pretty shitty mics for the amount of dough I'll have left over (~$700), but "coverage" is important for me. I think some people will suggest I buy two higher quality room mics and skip mic'ing the individual drums, but for me that would be missing out on part of the learning experience. Perhaps in time, I can upgrade mics one at a time as I can afford it, but I'd like to have everything on it's own channel from the get-go. To satisfy my budget, I was thinking I would have to settle for a boxed set, like the Audix DP3 or the Shure PGDMK6 or perhaps just a bunch of sm57's and a B52. This is where I need the most advice.

I know that's a lot, but any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can provide.

Regards,
Flaquito
 
OK, I guess the firepod is around $600. If you are hung up on micing everything right off the bat, you are going to find yourself very frustrated. It's VERY hard when you're starting off. So you are left with around $650. Why not the C4's for overheads, so you have $350 left. Get a bunch of used 57's and a D112 for kick. You didn't mention if you have monitors or what your room is like. You will also want some headphones. Without monitors to properly hear it all, it won't mean schlong.
 
FWIW, here are some drum clips I made while testing the Firepod out:

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=2079&alid=1315

For mics on your budget, I'd go with:

Studio Projects C4 pair (overheads, cardioid or omni choice too)
2- SM57 (for top and bottom snare)
Audix Fusion 4 kit (1 kick, 3 toms)

and you would be under budget and mic'ing a 5 pc kit no problem with 8 mics. I've used all of these mics in these positions with excellent results.

War
 
Changing the title on a cut+paste doesn't make it any less a crosspost.

When you post in the future, pick the most appropriate forum and post there.
 
Warhead said:
FWIW, here are some drum clips I made while testing the Firepod out:

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=2079&alid=1315

For mics on your budget, I'd go with:

Studio Projects C4 pair (overheads, cardioid or omni choice too)
2- SM57 (for top and bottom snare)
Audix Fusion 4 kit (1 kick, 3 toms)

and you would be under budget and mic'ing a 5 pc kit no problem with 8 mics. I've used all of these mics in these positions with excellent results.

War


warhead....why the fusion 4 and not the fusion 6? the c4s are better than the overheads in the fusion 6?
 
distortedrumble said:
warhead....why the fusion 4 and not the fusion 6? the c4s are better than the overheads in the fusion 6?

The F15's that come in the fusion 6 are decent, but relatively dark (bordering on dull) for SDCs. I used them for a bit with no complaints but I think the C4's would be a step up. My MXL603's definitely were a step up to my ears.
 
reshp1 said:
The F15's that come in the fusion 6 are decent, but relatively dark (bordering on dull) for SDCs. I used them for a bit with no complaints but I think the C4's would be a step up. My MXL603's definitely were a step up to my ears.

I have the F15's and don't like them at all. There are my weak link when it comes to tracking drums. Being how important they are, I would spend more for a good pair of SDC's and kick drum mic and worry about the rest later.
 
HangDawg said:
I have the F15's and don't like them at all. There are my weak link when it comes to tracking drums. Being how important they are, I would spend more for a good pair of SDC's and kick drum mic and worry about the rest later.

so warhead's choice of c4s and fusion 4 is a choice you would make or would you go with something like the at25 or a d112
 
GLS Audio's ES-57's. You can pick up 3 for the price of ONE SM57 (about $80) and they sound just as good. I got the tip on this board for 'em and now I'm using them on my rack-toms and snare (not to mention on my mesa dual rec). Go to their site http://www.glsaudio.com and there is a link to a place that distrubutes them. Excellent mics.

I'd suggest staying away from the PG series as they will get the job done, but you'll want to upgrade those anyways. Also, I'd say for your needs the firepod is going to be the best route for you. I have it and have been using it record drums and all of it has turned out pretty great.

If you go with those GLS ES-57's (a three pack) you still will have a little more than $500 bucks to shell out on a solid pair of overheads and kick.
 
distortedrumble said:
so warhead's choice of c4s and fusion 4 is a choice you would make or would you go with something like the at25 or a d112

I know he said he wants to mic every drum even if it means getting lower quality mics. I went down that road and it was a mistake. I ended up spending more money and having the extra mics probably made my tracks worse instead of better.

Knowing what I know now, which still isn't much mind you, I would get

Pair of better SDCs like C4s or the Oktavas
Good kick mic such as the D6
Ass whoopin snare mic, the Beyer M201
Total: about $700

I think he could achieve far better results this way. And, all these mics are pretty much keepers. The fusion shit I have has been thrown into the live mic box.
 
distortedrumble said:
warhead....why the fusion 4 and not the fusion 6? the c4s are better than the overheads in the fusion 6?

Yes! The C4's are way ahead of the F15 condensors. But those dynamics in the package are pretty good on the cheap.

War
 
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