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alanhyatt said:
...8 digital tracks with warmth
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Oh boy...he busts out the 'W' word...

BTW, you can reverse phase easily enough in software, but I can see how it would be important when going to ADAT for example...which seems a logical application for an 8 channel mic pre.

Also, many mic pre's that I'm familiar with can detect mic vs. line/instrument. I have no idea how this is done, but it must be fairly easy to implement, being so common, and it would eliminate the need for a switch altogether. Some mic pre's even have the Neutrik combination XLR / 1/4" inputs, which would also save space.

Finally, I think you'd get more takers on a 2-channel unit @ $200ish than an 8-channel @ $600. I know you probably don't want to compete with your own products (VTB-1) but perhaps a slightly different price point and different marketing (along with the actual differences in the units of course ;) ) could set the two apart.
 
alanhyatt said:


Actually its original design was intended to be a high quality line mixer with quality summing amps, so people could get into 8 digital tracks with warmth. It has expanded since then.

Alan Hyatt
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Did you say that you were going to get Lightpipe I/O in there, Alan?

Bruce
 
skippy said:
Just another point of view: polarity reversal can be trivially done _at the mic_ with the cable (or by just adding in a little 12" long polarity-flipper cable like the ones I make for myself).

You _need_ the mic/line switch: it's a crime against nature to have both inputs active at once, and that will lead to hard-to-debug problems for folks who have things tied to both inputs (say, via a patchbay). My studio 32 had that, and it was a major negative for the prduct for me. However, I usually do the phase choice as I'm moving the mic around for final placement anyway- so to me it's second nature to toss a flip cable in if needed.

I'd vote for 8 mic/line switches, and no phase switches at all- I never had them before, and I can certainly live without them now!
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I completely agree.
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Did you say that you were going to get Lightpipe I/O in there, Alan?

Bruce
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We are looking at it only because the OEM license is cheap to use it. No promise, but if we can fit it in, we will probably use it.

Alan Hyatt
 
Alan,Can you put the phase rev. on a "Push" "Pull" on the Channel gain knob?..Like a coil tap on a guitar or guitar amps like Boogie use push pull on alot of their amps ect. ..In and its norm. pull the pot and you've flipped phase...


Don
 
Can you also make it in some funky colors.... maybe like the flourescent colors used on the iMacs??? ;)

:D :D

Bruce
 
Lotsa lights too!Use those blue ones they are cooler than green and red ..:D


Don
 
I'd like it to give me helpful advice on my singing and guitar playing technique. If it can play drums, that would be an even bigger plus.
 
Alan,
The summing of channels to a L/R and mono output seems of very limited use to me. So if you ask me, you should skip that, which would make you able to skip the pan knobs. This should leave plenty of space for both polarity switches and mic/line selectors. I can't really see the use for a mute button either.

Maybe it's a good idea to have an internal A/D and lightpipe outs. I just know I would never trust the quality of those A/D:s to be anywhere near standalone converters. Do you plan to add word clock?

So, if we imagine you would make this unit just for me, I would want eight quality mic pre's, with at least two of them having polarity switches and at least two having line level inputs. I don't like all-in-one boxes - but I understand that this is what the market wants. On the other hand - if you want to make an all-in-one box, I can't see why it has to be 1U only?

Didn't you mention somewhere that the unit would include a built-in M-S matrix box? Or was that just a wet dream I had? This would of far bigger interest to me than the L/R outs and pan knobs.

Cheers
/Henrik
 
I also want a custom made 8 channel mic-pre... um... I want a Waves L2 on every channel...

Seriously.. 48V and 8 I/O is enough for me. I think Bruce had a good idea with 4 channels with polarity-switch and 4 with mic/line.. But what do I know? :)
 
Maybe it's a good idea to have an internal A/D and lightpipe outs. I just know I would never trust the quality of those A/D:s to be anywhere near standalone converters. Do you plan to add word clock?
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That's what's on my mind too. It sounds like a cool product but if it has on board converters, I'd want a word clock input.
 
Correct me if im wrong..

This unit is an 8 channel Mic Pre.. But only a stereo and Mono Output....

I thought the whole point of having an 8 channel Pre was so you can record drums or something with 8 seperate mics and put everything on different tracks.... Im only seeing 3 output options here..

Useless... (To me at least..)



(As I said, correct me if im wrong, but thats the way Im reading this)
 
Oh, and If theres not enough room for all the customer demands... Why not make a 2 Space Rack unit... Yeah it costs more money, but you will be able to put "ALL" the toys in it, and it will appeal to more customers...

Makes sense to me.... of course Im not in the industry.. so there probably is a good reason your sticking with one space..

Just my .02 cents
 
Henri Devill said:
Alan,Can you put the phase rev. on a "Push" "Pull" on the Channel gain knob?..Like a coil tap on a guitar or guitar amps like Boogie use push pull on alot of their amps ect. ..In and its norm. pull the pot and you've flipped phase...


Don
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Don,

The pot would be too expensive to do that. Remember, at $799.99 list, this unit will sell in the stores for about $600.00 for eight channels. Any custom dual concentric or other custom pot would force me to raise the price, so that is why I keep saying...remember it is a 1U size so we can only do so much with it.

Alan Hyatt
 
VOXVENDOR said:

I thought the whole point of having an 8 channel Pre was so you can record drums or something with 8 seperate mics and put everything on different tracks.... Im only seeing 3 output options here..
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It does have seperate outputs on each channel.
 
Ok, you are all getting way ahead of yourself here and looking at making this an entirely different unit. I will be doing many more units, but this one is the next in line. It will be a 1U size.

I don't expect it to be the right box for everyone, but I think some of you are missing the point of the box. High quality summing amps, 8 channels of mic pre using the Burr Brown Chips, individule outputs including bussing to L/R and Mono, and linking for cascading units. That is a world of applications for many uses. If we end up with the Digital outputs, that is just another plus.

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
 
alanhyatt said:
I don't expect it to be the right box for everyone, but I think some of you are missing the point of the box. High quality summing amps, 8 channels of mic pre using the Burr Brown Chips, individule outputs including bussing to L/R and Mono, and linking for cascading units. That is a world of applications for many uses. If we end up with the Digital outputs, that is just another plus.

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
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Yeah, it seems you're heading in a somewhat different direction. But hey, you asked us for our opinions!

Just one more thing that you might want to consider - just an amateur psychological observation of my own way of making buying decisions:

For me when considering a unit that has a lot of functions that I won't be using (summed L/R out, pan knobs, mute buttons and internal A/D) - I would inevitably feel silly buying it. Because I would know that I would be paying for stuff I would never use. As an effect, I might even end up buying something more expensive with less functions, because I was thinking that the functions I WOULD be using would be of higher quality than on the less expensive unit.

Cheers
/Henrik
 
Henrik,

As a manufacturer, we will never have a unit that will appeal to everyone. The SP-82 may not be a unit you would buy, but many others will. So you know, I am not being defensive in making that statement. :) We will be coming out with many models over the next two years, and I hope some of those will appeal to you and others.

The SP-82 is aimed at the multitrack user that wants to get into their computer with a couple of mics, or line inputs or even Pro Tools or other recorders using 8 or more channels at a time. The summing amplifiers will add the color or warmth while doing so. It is good for portable recording, line mixing, and many other uses. So, when we talk about a product on the groups, I can only hope that we talk about the product that we are trying to market, and help make that the best it can be.

Once we all add our needs, the unit ends up to be a 10 space device with a stocked bar! Not that that is so bad, but we know the SP-82 can't be that. I am always open for new product ideas and encourage all of you to either email me or create a new thread to create a new product. So, keep the ides coming, but remember, they might not all be used, and the end product may not be a unit you would buy. :D


Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
 
Alan,
It sounds pretty cool. I would love to see a product line with high quality components that you can slowly build up to a larger mixing system.

I could easily see you guys adding compressor/limiters, EQ, tube pre's, DAC's and other rack pieces so people could add stuff as they can afford it.

Save the DAC's for a seperate unit with 8 high quality DAC's so people can use your preamp or any others.

If you could have some way of linking all the hardware for remote MMC or proprietary software control that would be the icing on the cake. Think a hardware/computer interface that controls all these modular pre/mixer elements.

$800 seems a little high. I would think that $500 is probably the magic number if you want people to add that to their system. I can get a pretty nice new/used Mackie or other digital mixers for $800 with a lot more features.

There would need to be a bigger picture for this unit to fit in at that cost IMHO.
 
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